Things it took me a while to learn part 8, Bet Sizing

[Dave D]

My bad about point out the whole "to" vs "too" thing. Not productive.

Also stack-a-donk is still very viable. I used it several times tonight in sub $30 buy ins.

[pped5700]

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Question related to the first example of maximizing value - is there a simple math calculation you use to immediately allow you to determine the best possible bet size on early streets that ultimately sets you up to make a pot sized bet on a future street?



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its called the geometric growth of the pot. C&A in MoP go through this quite extensively.

Pot=1
Player A bets some fraction of 1 into Pot=1, which is s1
If Player B calls, then the pot grows from 1 to (1+2s1)
r1=(1+2s1)/1
r1 is the ratio the pot will grow if the bet is called.
r2=(1+2s1+2s2)/(1+2s1)
r3=(1+2s1+2s2+2s3)/(1+2s1+2s2)

r1r2r3 is a constant where r1=r2=r3
That constant is the geometric growth of the pot. the optimal bet size on the flop gets your stack in on the river.
Depending on the texture of the flop, mandates if you want to grow the pot in 2 or 3 streets. A two-street growth of the pot is best for extremely dynamic flops, because of the clairvoyance effect that takes place on the river when your opponent is playing a draw. he in efeect plays with better information, because he knows when his draw comes in; and only pays when it does.

[Donkey5layer]

Great article bond... thanks..

what about those who say make your bet sizes the same or close to all the time that way your opponent will never know what you have...

do you think this is really only relevant against the regualars at the higher buyins and most of the marginal players in these tournaments wont catch on anyways?

[Donkey5layer]

better yet... accumulating not surviving

[pped5700]

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CashFlop Two: 6c 7c 9h (pot 300)
Now this is a kind of board I’m looking to accomplish something a little different. I think you need to bet more to charge draws more, and if villain raises you want to make it so his raise is a more committing size. I’d bet 250 here and if villain raises, shove, since so many draws are in his range.



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Nice post Bond.
Not quite following your logic on letting the strong draw get his stack in on this type of flop though. We do much better getting his flop-raising range to the turn.