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Dr_Jeckyl_00 · #**2241** 11-03-2007, 03:10 PM

Can my hand be good on flop once raised? I just suck at folding big over pairs...

btn is 47/9/1/53hands
sb is 15/1/0355hands

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (7 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

MP2 ($22.20)
Hero ($47.95)
Button ($24.35)
SB ($33.85)
BB ($6.30)
UTG ($6.75)
MP1 ($7.55)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG raises to $0.5, 2 folds, Hero raises to $1.75, Button calls $1.75, SB calls $1.65, 1 fold, UTG calls $1.25.

Flop: ($7.25) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $5, Button calls $5, SB raises to $15, UTG folds, Hero raises to $46.2, Button calls $17.60 (All-In), SB calls $17.10 (All-In).

Turn: ($94.05) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players, 2 all-in)

River: ($94.05) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: $94.05

dipstikdave · #**2242** 11-03-2007, 03:53 PM

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Can my hand be good on flop once raised? I just suck at folding big over pairs...

btn is 47/9/1/53hands
sb is 15/1/0355hands

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (7 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

MP2 ($22.20)
Hero ($47.95)
Button ($24.35)
SB ($33.85)
BB ($6.30)
UTG ($6.75)
MP1 ($7.55)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG raises to $0.5, 2 folds, Hero raises to $1.75, Button calls $1.75, SB calls $1.65, 1 fold, UTG calls $1.25.

Flop: ($7.25) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $5, Button calls $5, SB raises to $15, UTG folds, Hero raises to $46.2, Button calls $17.60 (All-In), SB calls $17.10 (All-In).

Turn: ($94.05) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players, 2 all-in)

River: ($94.05) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: $94.05

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i'd make the 3bet a little bigger pf. pot the flop with 3 callers. i'd shut down when c/r by a weak tightie, but with the button in there you are getting 4:1 if he calls the 3bet, so calling can't be too bad. i wouldn't push since the sb can only have a hand that beats you or maybe AJ, QQ, but most likely a set.

Dr_Jeckyl_00 · #**2243** 11-03-2007, 04:41 PM

Did I play this ok pf, or was it bad to call the 2nd reraise?

MP2 is 26/19/2/42hnds
SB is 30/9/1/33hnds

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (8 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

MP1 ($4.15)
MP2 ($30.40)
CO ($24.70)
Button ($4.15)
SB ($22.95)
BB ($25.05)
Hero ($25)
UTG+1 ($17.75)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
Hero raises to $1, 2 folds, MP2 raises to $3, 2 folds, SB raises to $5, 1 fold, Hero calls $4, MP2 raises to $30.4, SB calls $17.95 (All-In), Hero folds.

Flop: ($51.15) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: ($51.15) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($51.15) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $51.15

Dr_Jeckyl_00 · #**2244** 11-03-2007, 04:49 PM

utg villain is 36/4/0/28hnds

mp2 villain is 32/7/1/105hnds

Is it generally ok to get AI pf here?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (7 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Button ($8.90)
SB ($26)
BB ($25.70)
UTG ($20.80)
MP1 ($47.80)
MP2 ($26)
Hero ($47.70)

Preflop: Hero is CO with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls $0.25, 1 fold, MP2 raises to $1, Hero raises to $3.5, 3 folds, UTG calls $3.25, MP2 raises to $26, Hero calls $22.50, UTG calls $17.30 (All-In).

Flop: ($62.75) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: ($62.75) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($62.75) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $73.15

Dr_Jeckyl_00 · #**2245** 11-03-2007, 04:53 PM

As you can see from my other posts I am getting into some huge pots w/ my big pocket pairs. I am I playing them correctly?

mp2 villain is 32/6/1/212hnds

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (9 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

MP1 ($17.90)
MP2 ($21.60)
MP3 ($45.15)
CO ($28.35)
Button ($16)
SB ($22.65)
Hero ($30.55)
UTG ($50.55)
UTG+1 ($15.50)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls $0.25, 2 folds, MP2 calls $0.25, 1 fold, CO calls $0.25, 2 folds, Hero raises to $1.5, UTG folds, MP2 calls $1.25, CO calls $1.25.

Flop: ($4.85) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets $3.75, MP2 raises to $7.5, CO folds, Hero calls $3.75.

Turn: ($19.85) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets $12.6 (All-In), Hero calls $12.60.

River: ($0) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $45.05

dipstikdave · #**2246** 11-03-2007, 06:13 PM

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Did I play this ok pf, or was it bad to call the 2nd reraise?

MP2 is 26/19/2/42hnds
SB is 30/9/1/33hnds

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (8 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

MP1 ($4.15)
MP2 ($30.40)
CO ($24.70)
Button ($4.15)
SB ($22.95)
BB ($25.05)
Hero ($25)
UTG+1 ($17.75)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
Hero raises to $1, 2 folds, MP2 raises to $3, 2 folds, SB raises to $5, 1 fold, Hero calls $4, MP2 raises to $30.4, SB calls $17.95 (All-In), Hero folds.

Flop: ($51.15) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: ($51.15) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($51.15) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $51.15

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i'd probly fold to the 4bet, calling isn't great cuz you're not closing the action.

dipstikdave · #**2247** 11-03-2007, 06:18 PM

[ QUOTE ]
utg villain is 36/4/0/28hnds

mp2 villain is 32/7/1/105hnds

Is it generally ok to get AI pf here?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (7 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Button ($8.90)
SB ($26)
BB ($25.70)
UTG ($20.80)
MP1 ($47.80)
MP2 ($26)
Hero ($47.70)

Preflop: Hero is CO with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls $0.25, 1 fold, MP2 raises to $1, Hero raises to $3.5, 3 folds, UTG calls $3.25, MP2 raises to $26, Hero calls $22.50, UTG calls $17.30 (All-In).

Flop: ($62.75) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: ($62.75) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($62.75) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $73.15

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i'd 3bet bigger to start. generally the overbet push is not AA or KK so calling is probly ok.

dipstikdave · #**2248** 11-03-2007, 06:24 PM

[ QUOTE ]
As you can see from my other posts I am getting into some huge pots w/ my big pocket pairs. I am I playing them correctly?

mp2 villain is 32/6/1/212hnds

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (9 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

MP1 ($17.90)
MP2 ($21.60)
MP3 ($45.15)
CO ($28.35)
Button ($16)
SB ($22.65)
Hero ($30.55)
UTG ($50.55)
UTG+1 ($15.50)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls $0.25, 2 folds, MP2 calls $0.25, 1 fold, CO calls $0.25, 2 folds, Hero raises to $1.5, UTG folds, MP2 calls $1.25, CO calls $1.25.

Flop: ($4.85) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets $3.75, MP2 raises to $7.5, CO folds, Hero calls $3.75.

Turn: ($19.85) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets $12.6 (All-In), Hero calls $12.60.

River: ($0) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $45.05

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again your pf raise is too small, you are giving the first villain better than 2:1 odds to call for less than 5% of his stack. especially with multiple limpers don't be afraid to make a big raise, you usually get callers anyway.
on the flop i'd prefer bet 3bet ai.

ChrisV · #**2249** 11-04-2007, 08:34 AM

Jeckyl:

KK: Fold the flop, you are definitely beaten. You have defined your hand as a big pair very clearly and he's saying that's no good.

JJ: Fold to the second reraise since you're on the borderline of an acceptable amount to call for setmining anyway, and you don't close the action.

QQ: You're getting approx the right odds vs {AK,KK+} and UTG will probably call so I'd go ahead and stack this. In general I would not get QQ AI pf against a 7 PFR player, but the presence of the extra money in the pot tips the scales.

2nd KK: The minraise in front of CO is suspicious and I could find a fold versus some players. This looks a lot like 55 or 22 but vs some players could also be a T with good kicker. I would need to know whether minraising is usual for this player. Without a decent read I would just stack the flop to avoid him checking behind on the turn with something like the nut flush draw.

Agreed with dave that you need to raise more pf, it looks like you're getting tons of calls anyway so why not pump it up a bit more with your premium hands?

Dr_Jeckyl_00 · #**2250** 11-04-2007, 11:36 AM

Thanks Chris and Dave.

What is your rule of thumb for opening/raising pf?

When opening pf is 4xbb + 1bb for every limper too light?

When raising pf should I bet pot + 3 or 4 times the raise or something like that? This is the part am really not sure about (post flop I know how to pot it, but pf poting is not enough and is even less than I was betting).

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