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11-02-2007, 03:22 AM
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Possibly Simple BB Def Question, But Maybe Not....
My note on villain says:
"I coldcalled JTs otb, raised T66(2flush) flop, he called down with A hi" He is a typically aggro 6m player aside from that, but not crazy. Anyway he opens otb and I defend K6s in the BB Flop 775r (I have no fd) What lines do you consider here? Does your answer change if the flop is 2-flush, monotone (no fd for us), or if we have a bd flush draw? 
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#2
11-02-2007, 05:11 PM
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Re: Possibly Simple BB Def Question, But Maybe Not....
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What lines do you consider here? Does your answer change if the flop is 2-flush, monotone (no fd for us), or if we have a bd flush draw? [/ QUOTE ] Two-tone with no back-door, bye bye. Other than that, I check-call every street (depending on what comes off).
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#3
11-03-2007, 03:07 AM
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Re: Possibly Simple BB Def Question, But Maybe Not....
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Two-tone with no back-door, bye bye. Other than that, I check-call every street (depending on what comes off). [/ QUOTE ] Interesting.... I think if he goes 3 barrels then your K hi is not good enough often to call the river profitably. Any thoughts on that?
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#4
11-03-2007, 03:37 AM
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Re: Possibly Simple BB Def Question, But Maybe Not....
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[ QUOTE ] Two-tone with no back-door, bye bye. Other than that, I check-call every street (depending on what comes off). [/ QUOTE ] Interesting.... I think if he goes 3 barrels then your K hi is not good enough often to call the river profitably. Any thoughts on that? [/ QUOTE ] Obv it depends on what comes off, but yes, they rarely have anything worse when it's 3 barrels.
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#5
11-03-2007, 04:36 AM
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Re: Possibly Simple BB Def Question, But Maybe Not....
My guess is that you should be showing down a little less than half the time. That is, there are about 55% of flops where you won't be getting the right price to call down.
obv when it's filled with Qs and Js and then a few others that put you in bad shape. -Bill
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#6
11-03-2007, 08:59 AM
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Re: Possibly Simple BB Def Question, But Maybe Not....
Gm.
I dunno which games you are playing so take it FWIW. But in my games there isnt much difference between calling a 3'rd barrel with A high and K high. Nobody ever value / bluff bets A high there so K high runs pretty close in value to A high when he bets the river. Does anyone ever c/r these flops with K high?
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#7
11-03-2007, 09:09 AM
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Re: Possibly Simple BB Def Question, But Maybe Not....
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Does anyone ever c/r these flops with K high? [/ QUOTE ] i would c/r this flop a fair amount. There are a ton of turn cards that can come that'll make him dump A2 and will scare him away from rebluffing qt.
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11-03-2007, 12:55 PM
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Re: Possibly Simple BB Def Question, But Maybe Not....
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Nobody ever value / bluff bets A high there so K high runs pretty close in value to A high when he bets the river. [/ QUOTE ] I play online between 10 and 30. In all those games, especially 15 and above, people will value bet a good ace all the time.
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#9
11-03-2007, 12:58 PM
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Re: Possibly Simple BB Def Question, But Maybe Not....
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[ QUOTE ] Does anyone ever c/r these flops with K high? [/ QUOTE ] i would c/r this flop a fair amount. There are a ton of turn cards that can come that'll make him dump A2 and will scare him away from rebluffing qt. [/ QUOTE ] Without a specific read I dont like c/raising here. That is, there are LOTS of players who call down A hi after your flop c/r. And some that will call the flop c/r and the turn bet with less than A hi and fewer outs than they need to call because they know that some % of the time you are on a pure bluff and they can pick up the pot with a river bet after you chicken out (probably correctly chicken out) on firing the 3rd barrel.
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