KJ in a raised pot

midnightpulp · #1 09-25-2007, 05:54 AM

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Preflop: Hero is CO with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
1 fold, MP calls, Hero raises, Button 3-bets, 2 folds, MP calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (10.50 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
MP checks, Hero checks, Button bets, MP calls, Hero--

What line do you guys like best with a hand that's semi-strong against a 3 bettor? Check raise and trap the middle player for an extra bet?

Wolfram · #2 09-25-2007, 06:01 AM

yup, c/r and go from there.

Oink · #3 09-25-2007, 06:02 AM

Depends!

Against an unknown in lower stakes where there isnt much 3-betting going on I'd just call down.

At higher stakes where there are more idiots who 3-bet me with 55 and ATo and calls down UI even when someone rases the field I'd c/r the flop for value.

Hi5 · #4 09-25-2007, 06:42 AM

It's 1/2 - c/r the flop.

Oink · #5 09-25-2007, 06:57 AM

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It's 1/2 - c/r the flop.

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I'd much rather c/r this at 10/20 than at 1/2

Gurravasa · #6 09-25-2007, 07:44 AM

I would wait for a non flush, non A turn and c/r there. I think we can dare to raise somewhere in this hand even at this limit Oink.

Oink · #7 09-25-2007, 07:51 AM

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I would wait for a non flush, non A turn and c/r there. I think we can dare to raise somewhere in this hand even at this limit Oink.

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Ya, I dont hate it.

But I think that an unknown buttons range in a 10/20 game is a helluvalot wider than an unknown at 1/2.

The fish prolly makes it a c/r regardless.

I wouldnt ever wait for the turn btw. If both Hero and fish calls the flop I wouldnt expect button to bet/call worse hands a lot and he is checking worse hands rather often - even at 1/2.

So the c/r should be on the flop IMO.

Gurravasa · #8 09-25-2007, 07:56 AM

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I would wait for a non flush, non A turn and c/r there. I think we can dare to raise somewhere in this hand even at this limit Oink.

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Ya, I dont hate it.

But I think that an unknown buttons range in a 10/20 game is a helluvalot wider than an unknown at 1/2.

The fish prolly makes it a c/r regardless.

I wouldnt ever wait for the turn btw. If both Hero and fish calls the flop I wouldnt expect button to bet/call worse hands a lot and he is checking worse hands rather often - even at 1/2.

So the c/r should be on the flop IMO.

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I agree that if we expect button to check behind too often we c/r flop instead. I really think we should raise somewhere in this hand since morons at this level often calls to much.

Hi5 · #9 09-25-2007, 08:36 AM

Oink appears to have changed his opinion on this hand. I c/r the flop here because fish are likely to call down when I am ahead and probably will fail charge me a lot when I am behind. Against better players, I might play differently because a c/r here represents strength, which a good player would pick up on.

Oink · #10 09-25-2007, 08:42 AM

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Oink appears to have changed his opinion on this hand. I c/r the flop here because fish are likely to call down when I am ahead and probably will fail charge me a lot when I am behind. Against better players, I might play differently because a c/r here represents strength, which a good player would pick up on.

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Nope!

IMO its a close one at 1/2 and I would like a c/r more at higher stakes where button's range is wider and where a TAG or LAG/TAG will call down more.

Since its close at lower stakes I would just take the low variance line.