hero call with mid pair in 3 bet pot

b33nz · #1 08-13-2007, 01:53 AM

villain was about 25/20 standard lag. my image is the same if not laggier.

i cant really put him on many good hands. i dont think he has a set and if he does he prolly wouldnt overbet like this. i dont think he has a legit two pair (T8) or a deuce. so the hands he can be over betting are a pair of tens or an overpair.. but does he play AT/QQ/JJ this way? there are a quite a few draws out there.

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $2/$4 Blinds - 5 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

Hero (SB): $649.00
BB: $245.00
UTG: $495.80
CO: $386.00
BTN: $406.90

Preflop: Hero is dealt 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5 Players)
2 folds, BTN raises to $14.00, Hero raises to $48.00, BB folds, BTN calls $34.00

Flop: ($100) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $76.00, Hero calls $76.00

Turn: ($252) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, BTN bets all-in for $282.90, Hero

jk3a · #2 08-13-2007, 02:02 AM

If you are going to 3bet this hand, you have to felt some % of the time. I generally give people credit the first time, but feel free to call. I can't be real bad.

KingGordy · #3 08-13-2007, 02:15 AM

Shoving into a 252 pot with 280 behind is not an overbet. There's absolutely no reason he can't have 22,88,TT,JJ-AA. Very dependant on game dynamic but I'm giving credit here normally.

Also even some of his weaker semibluffing hands have pretty good equity against you, whereas if you're behind you're drawing to 2 outs.

LucidDream · #4 08-13-2007, 02:15 AM

i'd like to have some kind of read on his postflop play but calling seems OK against a tricky LAG.

Slap My Jack · #5 08-13-2007, 02:28 AM

Definitely not an overbet. Even if he was shoving with more money it wouldn't be an overbet, especially in a 3bet pot. Double flush board at this point, and any bet he makes that's not a shove leaves him with an awkward stack remainder for the river.

TurdFerguson · #6 08-13-2007, 03:19 AM

Is c-c your standard line here when you 3-bet out of the blinds, or is it bet-fold? Curious whether you took this flop line b/c villain is a LAG.

LucidDream · #7 08-13-2007, 03:29 AM

i misread the first time. i thought you bet flop and chkd turn.

i'd be a bit more likely to fold the turn now.

MATT111 · #8 08-13-2007, 03:57 AM

The fact that the turn paired makes it a fold.

b33nz · #9 08-13-2007, 05:21 AM

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elaborate? do the extra 3 outs that i would have for two pair make it enough for it to go from a fold to a call?

Darkfolder · #10 08-13-2007, 05:46 AM

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elaborate? do the extra 3 outs that i would have for two pair make it enough for it to go from a fold to a call?

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I think MATT111 mean that you should c/f because the 2 is such a bad card to double barrell in genereal(Against some thinking opponents it can be great)