50nl: 66 deep stacked

blackize · #1 01-15-2007, 01:45 AM

Original raiser is pretty donkish/aggressive and short so I call in position. 3 bettor is 31/7.5/1.6 over 500. I've never seen him 3bet light, I think his range is QQ+ AK and maybe JJ and TT. We're deep, his range is small, he goes too far with overpairs/TPTK, and his 3 bet is too small so I call.

No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
6 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $99.50
UTG+1: $24.31
CO: $41.55
Hero: $115.58
SB: $176.89
BB: $101.65

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is Button with 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
UTG folds, UTG+1 raises to $2.5, CO folds, Hero calls, SB folds, BB raises to $7.5, UTG+1 folds, Hero calls.

Flop: 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($17.75, 2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $15, BB calls.

 This is a really good flop for me as I think he rarely holds JJ here and usually has an overpair. I bet just shy of the pot expecting a call from his overpair and a fold from AK. 

Turn: K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($47.75, 2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks.

 I check behind because I don't think he calls QQ here and the only parts of his range I'm beating now are AK and AA. Maybe I can get more value from those hands on the river? 

River: 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($47.75, 2 players)
BB bets $59.5, Hero ?

 Uh oh. He's overbetting the pot. I can't remember if he's done this before so I'm not sure what to think of it. Do you think this is QQ AA or AK often enough to call here?

the machine · #2 01-15-2007, 01:46 AM

often enough to call???

[censored] calling. shove!!!!!!!!!!! if he has JJ so be it.

he probably never holds 22. and he probably pays off with KJ and AA

and i feel his range is wider then you think

blackize · #3 01-15-2007, 01:48 AM

He never has 22 or KJ here. He has QQ+ AK 95% of the time and 5% of the time JJ.

I don't think shoving is an option since I doubt he calls with anything I beat except AA.

Edit: The only other hand he has ever 3bet in 500 hands is AQo in a blind battle where the SB minraised him.

Speedlimits · #4 01-15-2007, 01:52 AM

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Original raiser is pretty donkish/aggressive and short so I call in position. 3 bettor is 31/7.5/1.6 over 500. I've never seen him 3bet light, I think his range is QQ+ AK and maybe JJ and TT. We're deep, his range is small, he goes too far with overpairs/TPTK, and his 3 bet is too small so I call.

No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $99.50
UTG+1: $24.31
CO: $41.55
Hero: $115.58
SB: $176.89
BB: $101.65

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is Button with 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
UTG folds, UTG+1 raises to $2.5, CO folds, Hero calls, SB folds, BB raises to $7.5, UTG+1 folds, Hero calls.

Flop: 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($17.75, 2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $15, BB calls.

 This is a really good flop for me as I think he rarely holds JJ here and usually has an overpair. I bet just shy of the pot expecting a call from his overpair and a fold from AK. 

Turn: K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($47.75, 2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks.

 I check behind because I don't think he calls QQ here and the only parts of his range I'm beating now are AK and AA. Maybe I can get more value from those hands on the river? 

River: 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($47.75, 2 players)
BB bets $59.5, Hero ?

 Uh oh. He's overbetting the pot. I can't remember if he's done this before so I'm not sure what to think of it. Do you think this is QQ AA or AK often enough to call here? 

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calls good. I bet turn though.

blackize · #5 01-15-2007, 01:58 AM

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calls good. I bet turn though.

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You mind explaining why? I can't see him calling QQ here so really we're only getting value from AK and AA. If you do bet the turn what do you do if you're checkraised?

the machine · #6 01-15-2007, 02:01 AM

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calls good. I bet turn though.

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You mind explaining why? I can't see him calling QQ here so really we're only getting value from AK and AA. If you do bet the turn what do you do if you're checkraised?

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QQ peels here again. if hes putting you on a jack on the flop then its likely hes still ahead.

i guess a call isnt that bad but it leaves so much money on the table. he could def call down with AK.

FWIW i still shove the river

krazyace5 · #7 01-15-2007, 02:05 AM

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calls good. I bet turn though.

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You mind explaining why? If you do bet the turn what do you do if you're checkraised?

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So you don't have such a difficult decision on the river. Push.

Speedlimits · #8 01-15-2007, 02:07 AM

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calls good. I bet turn though.

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You mind explaining why? I can't see him calling QQ here so really we're only getting value from AK and AA. If you do bet the turn what do you do if you're checkraised?

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AK and AA have more variants than the rest of his range that beats u . if c/r than i'm all in.

snakekilla88 · #9 01-15-2007, 02:26 AM

no just keep betting on turn!! and go all in on the river. No reason to be scared here especially at 50nl. You should fold preflop if you are going to be this passive on turn and river.

shpanko · #10 01-15-2007, 02:36 AM

With the way villain played this hand it looks exactly like JJ or AK. When he 3-bets pf then c/c that flop he either hit top set with JJ and decided to slowplay, or he 3-bet AK and decided not to c-bet but to peel a card(a strange combination and play on this dry of a flop). I guess he could also not c-bet AA because the flop is so dry but that also seems like a stretch.

I think you are posting this hand because villain had JJJ. I think you played it fine by the way. If villain did have AK/AA then take a note and adjust future value bets accordingly. If I was playing the hand I would probably end up all in on the turn but I wouldn't feel good about it with the pf 3-bet and flop check. So i think you played this perfectly. Plus if you just call you are still making more than a buy-in.