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Old 10-29-2007, 07:31 AM
Montezuma21 Montezuma21 is offline
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Default 400NL: top 2 against a bad LAG

Reads: Villain is 40/24/4.3 over 50 hands . Attempt to steal is 46% so positionally aware.

i've seen villain make a lot of these strange underbets. He underbet-CB in a 4 way AQx rainbow flop and C-F a blank turn to a very small bet. he also 1/3PSB donkbet in a 3way HU pot and fold to a minraise.

I'm posting the whole hand because i'm not too sure if/where i went wrong.

Party Poker, $2/$4 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
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Hero (BTN): $400
SB: $433
BB: $62.20
UTG: $475.80
MP: $491
CO: $461

Pre-Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q dealt to Hero (BTN)
<font color="red">UTG raises to $12</font>, 2 folds, Hero calls $12, 2 folds

Flop: ($30) 3 Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T (2 Players)
<font color="red">UTG bets $12</font>, Hero calls $12

Turn: ($54) 2 (2 Players)
<font color="red">UTG bets $24</font>, Hero calls $24

River: ($102) K (2 Players)
<font color="red">UTG bets $24</font>, Hero calls $24
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Old 10-29-2007, 07:52 AM
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Default Re: 400NL: top 2 against a bad LAG

meh, it's fine. Alternatively, felt the flop or turn.
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Old 10-29-2007, 07:58 AM
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Default Re: 400NL: top 2 against a bad LAG

seriously? you don't mind felting this turn? I don't usually play 400NL (took a shot) but that seems a little crazy with 20BBs in the pot and 90 behind.
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Old 10-29-2007, 08:01 AM
Paul B. Paul B. is offline
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Default Re: 400NL: top 2 against a bad LAG

Raise for value somewhere before the river. I really do not like how you played this hand.
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Old 10-29-2007, 08:10 AM
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Default Re: 400NL: top 2 against a bad LAG

You could play it differently in a couple of places but there's nothing wrong with the line to me. When he turns over a small pair with a club then it's the kind of thing that makes you want to quit poker though.
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Old 10-29-2007, 08:43 AM
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Default Re: 400NL: top 2 against a bad LAG

I think either play it like you did or raise the flop and go from there
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Old 10-29-2007, 09:07 AM
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Default Re: 400NL: top 2 against a bad LAG

i agree you can get more value from this hand.
obv call river as played.
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Old 10-29-2007, 12:20 PM
Montezuma21 Montezuma21 is offline
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Default Re: 400NL: top 2 against a bad LAG

the consensus seems to be that hero should put in a value raise on the flop or the turn.

but which?

flop: PROS: -we might get some value from AK/KJ/QJ-type hands, and possibly a few flush draws too.
CONS: - we might be pushed off the best hand (not sure about this just speculating)
- if we're behind we raise ourselves off a draw.

turn: PROS: - i think more hands come along for the ride: JJc, AcK, AKc, etc.
- there's a (very) small chance we fold out a better hand: AQ/KK/AA without a club.

CONS: villain might decide to rebluff.


how's my thinking?

Also: how much do you raise to and on which street?
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Old 10-29-2007, 12:27 PM
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Default Re: 400NL: top 2 against a bad LAG

dont raise anywhere, its good as played.
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Old 10-29-2007, 12:29 PM
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Default Re: 400NL: top 2 against a bad LAG

id deff raise flop (small) and consider bluff raising the river...but i think i might 3bet this pre against this guy also
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