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Old 03-21-2007, 06:22 PM
bigpooch bigpooch is offline
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Default Normal decision, right? Or uber-maniacal?

I was "trolling" through the O8 lobby on PokerStars and
noticed a "bloated" average pot-size in the PL 3-6.

First, some background on the villain, "cottonf2006":

3 hands before "the hand":
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PokerStars Game #9018133694: Omaha Hi/Lo Pot Limit ($3/$6) - 2007/03/21 - 16:34:17 (ET)
Table 'Newell II' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: mustachepete ($370.50 in chips)
Seat 2: flabbygaby ($354 in chips)
Seat 3: The Brainiac ($658.95 in chips)
Seat 4: Brummell ($344.95 in chips)
Seat 5: cottonf2006 ($182.20 in chips)
Seat 6: sukoutonme ($718.65 in chips)
Seat 7: G-love2 ($347.95 in chips)
Seat 8: mangler241 ($594 in chips)
Seat 9: davebreal ($3097.75 in chips)
mangler241: posts small blind $3
davebreal: posts big blind $6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to mangler241 [4h 4c 3d 6h]
mustachepete: folds
flabbygaby: folds
The Brainiac: folds
Brummell: folds
cottonf2006: calls $6
sukoutonme: folds
G-love2: raises $21 to $27
mangler241: folds
davebreal: folds
cottonf2006: calls $21
*** FLOP *** [Qh Jh Qs]
cottonf2006: checks
G-love2: bets $36
cottonf2006: raises $119.20 to $155.20 and is all-in
G-love2: folds
cottonf2006 collected $132 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $135 | Rake $3
Board [Qh Jh Qs]
Seat 1: mustachepete folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: flabbygaby folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: The Brainiac folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Brummell folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: cottonf2006 collected ($132)
Seat 6: sukoutonme folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: G-love2 (button) folded on the Flop
Seat 8: mangler241 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: davebreal (big blind) folded before Flop


previous hand:
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PokerStars Game #9018168198: Omaha Hi/Lo Pot Limit ($3/$6) - 2007/03/21 - 16:36:31 (ET)
Table 'Newell II' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 2: flabbygaby ($348 in chips)
Seat 3: The Brainiac ($697.95 in chips)
Seat 4: Brummell ($344.95 in chips)
Seat 5: cottonf2006 ($245.20 in chips)
Seat 6: sukoutonme ($712.65 in chips)
Seat 7: G-love2 ($600 in chips)
Seat 8: mangler241 ($591 in chips)
Seat 9: davebreal ($3067.75 in chips)
flabbygaby: posts small blind $3
The Brainiac: posts big blind $6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to mangler241 [3h Js 6c 4h]
Brummell: folds
cottonf2006: calls $6
sukoutonme: folds
G-love2: calls $6
mangler241: folds
davebreal: raises $12 to $18
flabbygaby: folds
The Brainiac: folds
cottonf2006: calls $12
G-love2: calls $12
*** FLOP *** [8h 4s Ts]
cottonf2006: checks
G-love2: bets $18
davebreal: calls $18
cottonf2006: raises $114 to $132
G-love2: folds
davebreal: folds
cottonf2006 collected $114 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $117 | Rake $3
Board [8h 4s Ts]
Seat 2: flabbygaby (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: The Brainiac (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: Brummell folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: cottonf2006 collected ($114)
Seat 6: sukoutonme folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: G-love2 folded on the Flop
Seat 8: mangler241 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: davebreal (button) folded on the Flop

Okay, I pick up "something"!
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PokerStars Game #9018183699: Omaha Hi/Lo Pot Limit ($3/$6) - 2007/03/21 - 16:37:32 (ET)
Table 'Newell II' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 2: flabbygaby ($345 in chips)
Seat 3: The Brainiac ($691.95 in chips)
Seat 4: Brummell ($344.95 in chips)
Seat 5: cottonf2006 ($323.20 in chips)
Seat 6: sukoutonme ($712.65 in chips)
Seat 7: G-love2 ($564 in chips)
Seat 8: mangler241 ($591 in chips)
Seat 9: davebreal ($3031.75 in chips)
The Brainiac: posts small blind $3
Brummell: posts big blind $6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to mangler241 [8h Ah Ad 8d]
cottonf2006: calls $6
sukoutonme: folds
G-love2: folds
mangler241: raises $21 to $27
davebreal: folds
flabbygaby: calls $27
The Brainiac: calls $24
Brummell: folds
cottonf2006: calls $21
*** FLOP *** [6h Ts 3d]
The Brainiac: checks
cottonf2006: checks
mangler241: bets $111
flabbygaby: folds
The Brainiac: folds
cottonf2006: raises $185.20 to $296.20 and is all-in
mangler241: calls $185.20
*** TURN *** [6h Ts 3d] [2d]
*** RIVER *** [6h Ts 3d 2d] [8c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
cottonf2006: shows [Tc 3s 5c 6s] (HI: two pair, Tens and Sixes; LO: 8,6,5,3,2)
mangler241: shows [8h Ah Ad 8d] (HI: three of a kind, Eights; LO: 8,6,3,2,A)
mangler241 collected $351.70 from pot
mangler241 collected $351.70 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $706.40 | Rake $3
Board [6h Ts 3d 2d 8c]
Seat 2: flabbygaby (button) folded on the Flop
Seat 3: The Brainiac (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 4: Brummell (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: cottonf2006 showed [Tc 3s 5c 6s] and lost with HI: two pair, Tens and Sixes; LO: 8,6,5,3,2
Seat 6: sukoutonme folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: G-love2 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: mangler241 showed [8h Ah Ad 8d] and won ($703.40) with HI: three of a kind, Eights; LO: 8,6,3,2,A
Seat 9: davebreal folded before Flop (didn't bet)

I didn't like the fact that my low was "pathetic", but I
simply wanted to isolate. I was also sort of hoping to get
the pot heads-up or 3-way, but when the flop came rainbow,
I was only worried about A245 or a set of tens. Should I
be happy that the anticipated CR all-in occurred, even
though I was in a MULTIWAY POT?

I think maybe I should have picked another spot since I was
clearly behind in the hand and just got a little lucky!

Well, I'm not that behind with the actual hand according to
two dimes:

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=2520431
pokenum -o8 ah ad 8h 8d - tc 6s 5c 3s -- ts 6h 3d
Omaha Hi/Low 8-or-better: 820 enumerated boards containing Ts 3d 6h
cards scoop HIwin HIlos HItie LOwin LOlos LOtie EV
Ad 8d Ah 8h 201 231 589 0 423 72 0 0.468
6s 3s Tc 5c 253 589 231 0 76 24 0 0.532

(Obviously, I picked up a fine turn card!).

OTOH, my opponent's actual hand may have been near the
bottom of his CR all-in type of hands, so overall, maybe I
don't stand that well. Not to mention that there were two
other opponents that could have something!

Had I checked the flop, maybe I would not have scooped!

Still, AA88ss isn't toilet paper.
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Old 03-21-2007, 07:58 PM
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Default Re: Normal decision, right? Or uber-maniacal?

cottonf=fish
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Old 03-21-2007, 09:08 PM
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Default Re: Normal decision, right? Or uber-maniacal?

BTW, nice stack!

I saw you "value bet" TTxy (1/3 of the pot or so) on a
board of 555Jx (3-suited) and got called in two spots!

Times are good! [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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