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Old 03-16-2007, 10:29 PM
Crispy Crispy is offline
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Default Re: The limp-raise all in? What\'s his range here? Final table...

Dont fold QQ short handed and with these short stacks. Besides you can always suck out when your behind, which isnt that often.
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Old 03-17-2007, 03:25 PM
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Default Re: The limp-raise all in? What\'s his range here? Final table...

Thank you to everyone who commented.

Just to clarify once more, I'm neither "playing for the win" nor "playing to move up the money ladder"; I'm just looking for the +$EV decision here.

I can see that the vote is somewhat divided. Some people are saying they would call and some people are saying fold.

Well i called, and having read all of the responses I'm happy that this was the correct decision. Faced with this situation again, I'd call.

Unfortunately, he had Kings, and I lost this pot and bust out in 6th place a few hands later. At the time I wonderered if I could have found a fold, but having read the responses here, I'm happy that I made the correct decision.

Better luck next time I guess... [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Thanks all.
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Old 03-17-2007, 04:44 PM
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Default Re: The limp-raise all in? What\'s his range here? Final table...

I fold here most of the time.

When the second big stack makes a move like this against the only guy who can knock him out, I narrow his range down really tight. You are obviously hoping for JJ or 1010. Even if I knew he had AK, I might still lay this down.
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Old 03-17-2007, 06:41 PM
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Default Re: The limp-raise all in? What\'s his range here? Final table...

How would you really ever consider folding here to AK getting these pot odds?
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Old 03-17-2007, 09:42 PM
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Default Re: The limp-raise all in? What\'s his range here? Final table...

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How would you really ever consider folding here to AK getting these pot odds?

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At such a final table, with a solid M and a solid Q and being what I would consider a solid player, I am going to play much like the beginning of the tourney and avoid a situation that could be crippling.

I wouldn't fault anyone for calling with proper odds but I play in a manner that I am looking for domination and not coinflips. I also look to steal, make moves against players I can read and generally play a low risk style. I am usually the one making the aggression and not the one calling.

That's just my style and I will give up situations where I have a slight edge but could be eliminated or crippled. If players recognize this, I do adapt but that's the subject of another post.
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Old 03-20-2007, 06:53 AM
SecretOfMana SecretOfMana is offline
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Default Re: The limp-raise all in? What\'s his range here? Final table...

I wonder who said "lolz" and ended up getting 3rd by missing an allin with nut flush draw + overs + backdoor draw against the guy with mid pair.

Not my first post, but I didnt like my otherscreen name, so i guess this is better.
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Old 03-20-2007, 09:18 AM
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i think about it and call, then i laugh at how i almost got away from such a cooler
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