QQ in the WSOP $650.

[TwistedEcho]

100 people left, 35 get seats. Average stack is about 15k. My table has been pretty tight and i have been opening a few hands, but really not that active. So far pretty much all my hands played have been me raising preflop and everyone folding.

Seat 1: centgas (11669 in chips)
Seat 2: Suited-Hooks (29193 in chips)
Seat 3: franko 4 (12840 in chips)
Seat 4: TwistedEcho (10107 in chips)
Seat 5: PacMann (11626 in chips)
Seat 6: silvermvric (19335 in chips)
Seat 7: clickandwin (19935 in chips)
Seat 8: shaun69uk (26080 in chips)
Seat 9: Gamecock1 (8557 in chips)
centgas: posts the ante 25
Suited-Hooks: posts the ante 25
franko 4: posts the ante 25
TwistedEcho: posts the ante 25
PacMann: posts the ante 25
silvermvric: posts the ante 25
clickandwin: posts the ante 25
shaun69uk: posts the ante 25
Gamecock1: posts the ante 25
shaun69uk: posts small blind 200
Gamecock1: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to TwistedEcho [Qs Qd]
centgas: folds
Suited-Hooks: folds
franko 4: folds
TwistedEcho: raises 800 to 1200
PacMann: folds
silvermvric: folds
clickandwin: folds
shaun69uk: raises 10000 to 11200
Gamecock1: (instantly)calls 8132 and is all-in
TwistedEcho hates life, and?

[curtains]

I think we must call, probably close to 33% equity here, which is more than we need.

ie if one guys range is QQ+,AKs,AKo

and the original allin guy is: KK-99,AQs+,AQo+


I dunno maybe its SLIGHTLY too loose for the first allin guy, but who knows. Either way we should be getting around the equity we need, despite it being quite unpleasant.

[johnnyrocket]

i call but hate myself, i think we def have the equity here like curtains is saying, with our stack we need to gather lots of chips to make it deeper and this is a spot i think we need to go with. If we had tons of chips i'd consider otherwise.

[Eagles]

Fold, I don't think its close

edit: KK is probably a fold also

[Tyler Durden]

[ QUOTE ]
Fold, I don't think its close

edit: KK is probably a fold also

[/ QUOTE ]

I don't understand how you could fold KK here.

[mikeJ]

Curtains, I think giving a range of QQ+/AK for BB when he instacalls is definitely too loose. Maybe give like 4 combos of AK and like 2 combos of QQ. I think QQ is a fold.

However, I don't see how you can fold KK here. Between the occasional BB who thinks AK/QQ is the nuts and that KK is way ahead of SB's range (there's a side pot after all), I don't see how you could ever fold KK here.

[mikeJ]

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 24.087% 23.12% 00.96% 1086512566 45326963.33 { QQ }
Hand 1: 58.719% 56.76% 01.96% 2667200588 91965809.33 { KK+, QdQs, QhQs, AKs }
Hand 2: 17.194% 15.62% 01.57% 733947512 73991273.33 { KdKh, KdKs, KhKs, QQ-99, AQs+, AQo+ }

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 34.890% 31.20% 03.70% 1046787854 123989748.00 { KK }
Hand 1: 49.240% 45.38% 03.86% 1522685460 129604158.00 { KK+, QdQs, QhQs, AKs }
Hand 2: 15.870% 15.36% 00.51% 515369782 17168790.00 { KdKh, KdKs, KhKs, QQ-99, AQs+, AQo+ }


equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 65.632% 64.31% 01.32% 303928758 6246258.00 { QQ }
Hand 1: 34.368% 33.05% 01.32% 156174630 6246258.00 { KdKh, KdKs, KhKs, QQ-99, AQs+, AQo+ }

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 75.520% 74.78% 00.74% 372622338 3677328.00 { KK }
Hand 1: 24.480% 23.74% 00.74% 118303470 3677328.00 { KdKh, KdKs, KhKs, QQ-99, AQs+, AQo+ }

[curtains]

[ QUOTE ]
Curtains, I think giving a range of QQ+/AK for BB when he instacalls is definitely too loose. Maybe give like 4 combos of AK and like 2 combos of QQ. I think QQ is a fold.

However, I don't see how you can fold KK here. Between the occasional BB who thinks AK/QQ is the nuts and that KK is way ahead of SB's range (there's a side pot after all), I don't see how you could ever fold KK here.

[/ QUOTE ]

Well we have QQ, so its not like they are often going to have QQ. We are 40% against AA/KK and AK and some chance both players duplicate with AK.

Folding KK is of course the worst thing in history. So you think this player is going to fold AK in this spot?

[curtains]

[ QUOTE ]
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 24.087% 23.12% 00.96% 1086512566 45326963.33 { QQ }
Hand 1: 58.719% 56.76% 01.96% 2667200588 91965809.33 { KK+, QdQs, QhQs, AKs }
Hand 2: 17.194% 15.62% 01.57% 733947512 73991273.33 { KdKh, KdKs, KhKs, QQ-99, AQs+, AQo+ }

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 34.890% 31.20% 03.70% 1046787854 123989748.00 { KK }
Hand 1: 49.240% 45.38% 03.86% 1522685460 129604158.00 { KK+, QdQs, QhQs, AKs }
Hand 2: 15.870% 15.36% 00.51% 515369782 17168790.00 { KdKh, KdKs, KhKs, QQ-99, AQs+, AQo+ }


equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 65.632% 64.31% 01.32% 303928758 6246258.00 { QQ }
Hand 1: 34.368% 33.05% 01.32% 156174630 6246258.00 { KdKh, KdKs, KhKs, QQ-99, AQs+, AQo+ }

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 75.520% 74.78% 00.74% 372622338 3677328.00 { KK }
Hand 1: 24.480% 23.74% 00.74% 118303470 3677328.00 { KdKh, KdKs, KhKs, QQ-99, AQs+, AQo+ }

[/ QUOTE ]


So you think the guy will play AKs but not AKo?? Seems like a weird conclusion. I actually have a hard time thinking of any situation where some random internet player would fold AKo but play AKs.

[curtains]

btw please note that we have 3200 chips after the hand if we beat the other player. This factor does mean something.