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Old 04-16-2007, 11:13 AM
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am i turning this pp into a bluff?? I think a c-bet here is stand as well as the 3-bet?

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Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG+1 with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">UTG raises to $1.75</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $6</font>, 4 folds, UTG calls.

Flop: 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($12.75, 2 players)
UTG checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $9</font>,
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Old 04-16-2007, 11:18 AM
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Default Re: jj hand ..

Yeah this is basically a bluff but looks totally standard to me, I sometimes flat call pre-flop but my default is to 3 bet
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Old 04-16-2007, 11:24 AM
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Obv standard.
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Old 04-16-2007, 11:28 AM
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Default Re: jj hand ..

i figured, i mean the flop wasnt AKQ, im sure im good here, it just feels wierd betting jj as a bluff...thats all.
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Old 04-16-2007, 11:40 AM
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am i turning this pp into a bluff?? I think a c-bet here is stand as well as the 3-bet?

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
6 players
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Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG+1 with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">UTG raises to $1.75</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $6</font>, 4 folds, UTG calls.

Flop: 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($12.75, 2 players)
UTG checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $9</font>,

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I don't see why this is necessarily a bluff. Seeing that we know nothing about the villain's raising range, what he'd call a reraise with (many players will call a raise with any hand they'll play)... he could have a A8s.
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Old 04-16-2007, 11:52 AM
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sure he could have a8s here. i guess im thinking that since no worse hands will call here, or maybe they will ( 99, tt) , it makes my bet a bluff.
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Old 04-16-2007, 12:11 PM
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sure he could have a8s here. i guess im thinking that since no worse hands will call here, or maybe they will ( 99, tt) , it makes my bet a bluff.

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THERE IS AN OVERCARD !!!111 IF I BET NOW I WOULD BE BLUFFING
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Old 04-16-2007, 01:00 PM
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sure he could have a8s here. i guess im thinking that since no worse hands will call here, or maybe they will ( 99, tt) , it makes my bet a bluff.

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lol


THERE IS AN OVERCARD !!!111 IF I BET NOW I WOULD BE BLUFFING

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I don't agree.
1. AK is a huge part of villains range
2. you dont want to miss value against a smaller pp (it's not like TT-88 will checkfold this flop always. this "no worse hand will call" nonsense is kinda overrated.
3. Villain CHECKED. I don't know how ofthen you guys get c/r n the flop, but for me it is somewhere in the 20% area (edit: this is a total guess but the number is def not higher - probably a lot lower). Usually a flop check means exactly what it means. I have jack [censored].


I think betting here is standard. after which we shut down if called/raised.
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Old 04-16-2007, 01:03 PM
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sure he could have a8s here. i guess im thinking that since no worse hands will call here, or maybe they will ( 99, tt) , it makes my bet a bluff.

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lol


THERE IS AN OVERCARD !!!111 IF I BET NOW I WOULD BE BLUFFING

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I don't agree.
1. AK is a huge part of villains range
2. you dont want to miss value against a smaller pp (it's not like TT-88 will checkfold this flop always. this "no worse hand will call" nonsense is kinda overrated.
3. Villain CHECKED. I don't know how ofthen you guys get c/r n the flop, but for me it is somewhere in the 20% area (edit: this is a total guess but the number is def not higher - probably a lot lower). Usually a flop check means exactly what it means. I have jack [censored].


I think betting here is standard. after which we shut down if called/raised.

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I was being sarcastic btw.
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Old 04-16-2007, 01:03 PM
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Obv standard.

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