Can I put him on the nuts?

rsliu · #1 12-19-2006, 04:01 PM

Is this standard? On this board I thought there were a lot of hands other than QJ (or an unlikely J7) that he could have, and obviously I'd have equity against all of them.

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $1/$2
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $200
UTG+1: $260.50
CO: $192.35
Hero: $265.70
SB: $221.80
BB: $37.35

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is Button with 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, CO folds, Hero calls, SB folds, BB checks.

Flop: 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($9, 4 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $12, BB raises to $24, UTG raises to $60, UTG+1 folds, Hero raises to $192, BB calls all-in $11.35, UTG raises all-in $198, Hero calls.

Turn: A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($440.35, 1 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $115.05, Sidepot 1: $325.3)

River: 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($440.35, 1 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $115.05, Sidepot 1: $325.3)

Results:
Final pot: $440.35

ImsaKidd · #2 12-19-2006, 06:03 PM

Eh, I think I fold flop after BB Cminraises and UTG check-3bets. Maybe they both have 2 pair, seems unlikely.

shpanko · #3 12-19-2006, 06:07 PM

Ouch that's rough. I don't think I could fold so I guess it's fine. Any reads on UTG or BB? Also I'm sure you are gong to get flamed for pf

Chubbers · #4 12-19-2006, 06:07 PM

I'd say i'm beat also after UTG re-raised. Yuk.

novel20 · #5 12-19-2006, 06:17 PM

Lower straight on this board is rarely the nuts.
Even you are the nuts on flop, you are likely get outdrawn
facing two all ins and your hand cannot improve anymore.

rgold79 · #6 12-19-2006, 06:23 PM

No way should you go broke here with the dummy end of the straight alone. Sorry, with the two raises of that size behind me, I'm giving one of them JQ and dumping right away.

This takes me back to Super System where Doyle talks about how he likes playing 56 much more than 67, as a board making a straight is more likely to have helped your opponent as well with the higher connectors.

FireStorm · #7 12-19-2006, 06:26 PM

You have been double check raised, including a min CR by someone with no chips left. This is a limped pot, so no hand definition and no possible ranges to put anyone on. When you are behind to QJ, you have no outs, and behind to J7 leaves you 3 outs to chop. When you're ahead, you will get drawn out on a significant portion of the time by hands like Qx of clubs, Jx of clubs, or sets, and you are an underdog if a set AND a combo draw is present. All of this equals a fairly easy fold. IMO your raise to $192 is absolute and utter spew. No hand you are beating calls this, unless it's specifically 7c6c or KcJc, both of which obviously play real well against you. Don't get "I have a straight, I'll be damned if I fold" tunnel vision here, stick this in the muck.

rsliu · #8 12-19-2006, 06:53 PM

You guys don't think a hand like A10 clubs or 10j is possible here? I see people going crazy with those sorts of hands all the time.

What's wrong with limping pf?

Metromancer · #9 12-19-2006, 07:30 PM

I don't know I don't play 76 off unless I'm stiffed in on one of the blinds. If my initial raisee doesn't take it down, I fold.

SheepSuit · #10 12-19-2006, 08:56 PM

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You guys don't think a hand like A10 clubs or 10j is possible here? I see people going crazy with those sorts of hands all the time.

What's wrong with limping pf?

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You're behind to J-2 of clubs on flop. Hands like that could easily be in due to your weak preflop limp. Add a set for the other guy and I think you're already making a -EV push.
Of course, chance is very decent you're already beat. Fold flop.