AK v two donks Line check please

Turlock · #1 10-30-2007, 04:00 PM

Poker Stars
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $0.25/$0.5
10 players
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Pre-flop: (10 players) Hero is UTG+1 with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
UTG folds, Hero raises, 4 folds, CO 3-bets, Button calls, SB folds, BB calls, Hero calls.

Flop: 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (12.4SB, 4 players)
BB bets, Hero calls, CO raises, Button folds, BB 3-bets, Hero calls, CO caps, BB calls, Hero calls.

Turn: J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (12.2BB, 3 players)
BB bets, Hero folds, CO calls all-in $0.15.
Uncalled bets: 0.7BB returned to BB.

River: 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (12.8BB, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: 12.8BB)

Results:
Final pot: 12.8BB

Both players were terrible calling raises with 82 and the like.Once I'd already called one flop bet I felt priced in to see the turn,does anyone think I should I should have ignored my read and let it go earlier?

RemyXO · #2 10-30-2007, 04:05 PM

(1) Why didn't you cap preflop??
(2) I am fine with the first call on the flop, but when it's two bets back to you, it's time to let it go. You may certainly be dominated by CO's hand and BB is saying he's beating an overpair ... although the pot is large, the action is not very good to continue drawing to overs.
(3) If you read BB for a donkey and CO for a stackofftiltmonkey, then the turn card really doesn't change anything. Since you called all those bets on the flop, you are now well priced to call one bet on the turn ... [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

kbdunn · #3 10-30-2007, 04:10 PM

Since the CO is shortstacked, capping PF is not bad, you may have him dominated unless hes been waiting orbit after orbit to go in with a high pair.

If you are going to commit yourself to call two cold on the flop, believing your two overcards are clean, I would never fold the turn since you are getting solid odds.

You say the BB is a tard so he can easily be overplaying a pair + BDSD, 8x, or be strong and have a legimate hand such as 99 or 1010. The turn didnt change much, so if you thought you were on a clean draw on the flop, you are still on a clean draw on the turn.

RemyXO · #4 10-30-2007, 04:18 PM

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Since the CO is shortstacked, capping PF is not bad, you may have him dominated unless hes been waiting orbit after orbit to go in with a high pair.

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WTF. Who cares if he's shortshacked or not. By not capping preflop with a premium hand like AK you are losing value. Period.

kbdunn · #5 10-30-2007, 05:03 PM

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WTF. Who cares if he's shortshacked or not. By not capping preflop with a premium hand like AK you are losing value. Period.

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Against tards who have a wide 3 betting range or are shortstacked, yes I see the value in capping AKo PF. And this guy is a tard.

But do you cap PF everytime a villain 3 bets?

Many villains have a solid 3 betting range of 10s+/AK, where capping against a solid 3 bettor is marginal a lot of the time or -EV, depending who else is in the hand, if I remember my stoving experience. If the villain has a looser 3 betting range of AJs/AQs+ then yes I can see capping every time

bellatrix · #6 10-30-2007, 05:45 PM

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But do you cap PF everytime a villain 3 bets?

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Unless I have some sort of note or read, yes!

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Many villains have a solid 3 betting range of 10s+/AK,

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... and many do not. And this is not a "solid" range. 3-betting with AJs or 99 is a good play more often than not.

BadBigBabar · #7 10-30-2007, 05:49 PM

cap pf
fold the flop the 2nd time

kbdunn · #8 10-30-2007, 05:53 PM

Well AKs I am capping, AKo is close. However I play live with tards, and they have a really strict 3 betting range.

However realizing I play live and most of those villains do have strict predictible 3 betting ranges, and this is about an online hand, my advice is pretty null.

neurotiq · #9 10-30-2007, 06:45 PM

Cap preflop.

Fold flop to all those raises. We just have A high [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

Xhad · #10 10-30-2007, 07:03 PM

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Many villains have a solid 3 betting range of 10s+/AK, where capping against a solid 3 bettor is marginal a lot of the time or -EV, depending who else is in the hand, if I remember my stoving experience.

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Even if all this is true, you don't need 50% equity to make an equity cap multiway.