100 FO - Pretty Basic Spot That Confuses Me

[Todd Terry]

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Fold. And I disagree with you, djk, folding 44 here is fine too. Raising it is straight up bad and open shoving, though marginally +EV, is ridiculously high variance and something we should avoid. It's taken me a looooong time to realize this.

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[Soulman]

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snap fold. and I don't think it's an unexploitable shove at all, unless my instincts are wildly off on this one. you guys sure you did it with a bunch of diff call ranges?

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Played with calling ranges for remaining 4 from 10% --> 100%, I think min +EV was 0.5%.

Argh, [censored] me. Had BB set wrong. No, it's not unexploitable.

[Todd Terry]

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snap fold. and I don't think it's an unexploitable shove at all, unless my instincts are wildly off on this one. you guys sure you did it with a bunch of diff call ranges?

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Played with calling ranges for remaining 4 from 10% --> 100%, I think min +EV was 0.5%.

Argh, [censored] me. Had BB set wrong. No, it's not unexploitable.

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I just ran some numbers with SNGPT, shoving is either very slightly -cEV or very slightly +cEV throughout some reasonable calling ranges, it's extremely marginal.

[0evg0]

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Raising... is ridiculously high variance and something we should avoid. It's taken me a looooong time to realize this.

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sigh, yes, sure, whatever

but then there are situations depending on structure, field size, field strength, etc, etc.

so say it depends if you're going to go with that argument.

[Pudge714]

Shoving is neutral EV if people are calling anything wider is -EV.
88+,AQo+,ATs.
I might raise fold at a tight table.

[j_allstar]

on another note 0evg0 where r u getting your bankroll from? i havent seen any sweat thread from you forever and yet you keep playing these big buy in tourneys.

Oh and no this is not to be mean i really want to know if you are a cash player now or something.

[0evg0]

lol yes, i've been playing cash for the last 8 months or so. i only play the big lottery donkaments now really

and i don't really see any reason to make sweat threads unless it's something meaningful like a big weekly tournament or something

[KingDan]

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on another note 0evg0 where r u getting your bankroll from?

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[0evg0]

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on another note 0evg0 where r u getting your bankroll from?

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1. involves flashing lights and loud noises
2. think i'm a winning player at it
3. turns out it's actually rigged
4. pisses me off to no end
5. waiting on that one big payday

I COULD BE TALKING ABOUT POKER OR STACKER!

[curtains]

The shove isnt even close to unexploitable. I'd open fold 44 too, also not even close to being unexploitable.