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Old 11-23-2007, 09:54 PM
snoopfishyfish snoopfishyfish is offline
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Default Pot control against donk who won\'t lay down hand?

I was playing a live 3-5 game and picked up JT of spades on the button. There was no raise and I limped in too. Here are the stacks of the players involved:

Me: $2000
Guy A: $1300
Guy B: $500

The flop is AQ7 rainbow and checked all around. The turn came a K of club, which gave me the nut straight and put a club draw out there.

Guy A, whom from I observed is a donkey, bet out $20. Guy B, who is a loose gamblng donkey, called. I raised to $100.

When it got back around to Guy A, he re-raise it to 200. Guy B calls (cold calls $200 when you're sandwiched between two raisers... wow). Then I thought about what I should do...

The only hand I'm afraid of right now is JT of clubs... the nut straight with the redraw. But I highly doubt anyone had that. I put Guy A on two pair or a set, and Guy B on a flush draw. I decided to push to make it obvious that I had the nut straight and to take it down. I didn't think Guy A would call $1100 for a full house draw. And if he did call... I'm an 80% favorite if he has a set.

Guy A thought for a while and to my dismay, he said "OK I gamble" and he called. Guy B said "I'll gamble too!" and called.

The board paired on the river, of course, and Guy A showed pocket Aces for Aces full. He limped in with AA and flopped a set and slow played it, and obviously couldn't lay it down. Guy B had a club draw and missed.

I was pretty pissed cause I was up a lot. I had turned my buy in of $500 to $2000 and was ready to leave. I really didn't want to get involved in any big pots unless I had the nuts.

When I'm up against donkey players who may not lay down their hands, do you think it's a better strategy to control the pot? By that, I mean simply calling instead of raising/pushing on the turn. If the board paired on the river, I can fold and not risk a big chunk of my stack.

Against good players, I might push on the turn because they won't pay me off on the river if the board doesn't pair. However, against a bad player like Player A, I think he still would've paid me off if he didn't fill up on the river, so I could've waited until the river before I decide to get my money in.

How would you have played this hand?
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Old 11-23-2007, 10:01 PM
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Old 11-23-2007, 10:17 PM
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Default Re: Pot control against donk on a draw who won\'t lay down hand?

One of my biggest problems is i can never fold my full house draw gosh darn it!
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Old 11-23-2007, 10:30 PM
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Default Re: Pot control against donk who won\'t lay down hand?

This is ridiculous absurd results oriented thinking. You got over 200 bb in as a favorite and you're complaining? You played it fine.

As an aside, it doesn't make sense to play supertight just because you're "up" and want to leave with your big win. Either play as close to optimally as you can or don't play.
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Old 11-23-2007, 10:41 PM
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Default Re: Pot control against donk who won\'t lay down hand?

i didn't want to gamble with that much money... even when i'm an 80% favorite. that probaby sounds absurd... as a poker player i know i have to accept the gambling aspect of it. i would've happily ran that hand a few times but the floor didn't allow it.

i also have a tendency to run bad and a track record of getting sucked out in extended sessions. that's why i like to GTFO when i'm up.
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Old 11-23-2007, 10:42 PM
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Default Re: Pot control against donk who won\'t lay down hand?

Thats terrible thinking to have. If thats how you feel, move down in stakes. Your scared money!
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Old 11-23-2007, 10:48 PM
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Default Re: Pot control against donk who won\'t lay down hand?

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Thats terrible thinking to have. If thats how you feel, move down in stakes. Your scared money!

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i'm not really scared money. i hate variance and try to avoid it...

i think that's what running bad for months, and getting sucked out on 80% of the mosnter pots i've been involved in, has done to me.

I HATE POKER
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Old 11-24-2007, 12:06 AM
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Default Re: Pot control against donk who won\'t lay down hand?

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Thats terrible thinking to have. If thats how you feel, move down in stakes. Your scared money!

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i'm not really scared money. i hate variance and try to avoid it...

i think that's what running bad for months, and getting sucked out on 80% of the mosnter pots i've been involved in, has done to me.

I HATE POKER

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sounds like BBV is your prefered forum. Pick up chess
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Old 11-24-2007, 01:08 AM
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i'm not really scared money. i hate variance and try to avoid it...

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Hmm, pretty sure that's the definition of being scared money.
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Old 11-24-2007, 01:19 AM
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Default Re: Pot control against donk who won\'t lay down hand?

damn, you got me. i'm a nit.
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