Kings against a nonstop raiser

[mattnxtc]

villain: 22/22/6

Full Tilt Poker
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $1/$2
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
Mattnxtc: $48.50
UTG+1: $24.75
CO: $85.50
Button: $28.50
SB: $35.50
BB: $17

Pre-flop: (6 players) Mattnxtc is UTG with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">Mattnxtc raises</font>, 2 folds, <font color="#cc0000">Button 3-bets</font>, 2 folds, Mattnxtc calls.

Flop: J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (7.5SB, 2 players)
Mattnxtc checks, <font color="#cc0000">Button bets</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Mattnxtc raises</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Button 3-bets</font>, Mattnxtc calls.

Turn: 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (6.75BB, 2 players)
Mattnxtc checks, <font color="#cc0000">Button bets</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Mattnxtc raises</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Button 3-bets</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Mattnxtc caps</font>, Button calls.

River: 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (14.75BB, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Mattnxtc bets</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Button raises</font>, Mattnxtc calls.

Preflop: I didnt cap with it heads up for some deception value.

Flop: Standard c/r against his preflop. I decide not to cap again just b/c he is showing so much strength

Turn: Is capping standard? The only hands I am worried about are JJ and AA.

River: After he raises me again I think b/c is about all I can do profitably.

How bad did I mess this up?

[MacGuyV]

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Flop: Standard c/r against his preflop. I decide not to cap again just b/c he is showing so much strength

Turn: Is capping standard? The only hands I am worried about are JJ and AA.


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[img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] Why do you like your hand on the turn more than the flop?

Cap the flop unless you know he'll bet the turn. Turn cap is spew.

[Municipal Hare]

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villain: 22/22/6

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Sample size? Likely a TAG running hot.

I'd jam the flop, mostly because it'll induce more bad calldowns (and more bad turn raises which I can call down) on that board than waiting for the turn.

Given what happened, I think calling down from the turn 3-bet has the edge over capping and leading. You can't rely on AJ to 3-pop the turn.

Addendum: I think you confused yourself more than you confused villain.

[Absolution]

It takes a special read for me to put in this much action with 1 pair. I don't think you have that read here. I would probably just cap pre-flop because you don't need to be deceptive against overaggressive players.

[BryanC]

FWIW I think capping preflop would make this hand a wee bit easier for you since his range is slightly wider when he 3bets the flop here than it would be if he 3bets the flop against an OOP Pf capper. In general I'd say that if you arent comforatable post flop then your better off just keeping it simple early on and playing in a way that makes your play a little bit easier later on in the hand

I think this hand depends alot on our read of villian and if we think he plays AJ so strongly or not, I done a stove and here are the results:

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

1,093,512 games 9.507 secs 115,021 games/sec

Board: Jd 3s 4s
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 55.199% 53.50% 01.72% 585076 18769.50 { KcKh }
Hand 1: 44.801% 43.10% 01.72% 471344 18769.50 { JJ+, AJs, AJo }



Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

2,347,648 games 31.824 secs 73,769 games/sec

Board: Jd 3s 4s
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 40.995% 38.00% 03.00% 892090 70444.50 { KcKh }
Hand 1: 59.005% 56.01% 03.00% 1314961 70445.50 { JJ+ }


This stove was just to show you how bad shape you could be in here, I need to be up against a realy 'special' opponent before I give this much action. My defualt here would be to cap preflop and c/r/cap flop too then I lead the turn and if he sill raises me I want to showdown cheap as possible from there, not sure how good this line actualy is but im pretty sure its better than spewing the turn

[mattnxtc]

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Flop: Standard c/r against his preflop. I decide not to cap again just b/c he is showing so much strength

Turn: Is capping standard? The only hands I am worried about are JJ and AA.


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[img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] Why do you like your hand on the turn more than the flop?

Cap the flop unless you know he'll bet the turn. Turn cap is spew.

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Actually I didnt like my hand less on the flop than the turn. My thought was that he really likes his hand and so I let him think he had the lead so that I could extract more value on the turn.

I do agree if I cap preflop the hand is easier. I also dont know that I would get as much action postflop from some hands. That is why I decided to just call the 3bet preflop.

[MacGuyV]

Preflop is fine imo.

[*TT*]

Preflop: I didnt cap with it heads up for some deception value"

out of position this isn't ideal, you should cap because you will be first to act on the flop. The best deception is no deception in this situation.

Cap the flop. On the turn when button 3-bets did you ever stop to think about AA or JJ? only hands your ahead of here is QQ, TT, or a poorly played semi-bluff. As played on the river I c/c because your now in a WA/WB situation - its 50/50 for real hands and you might be able to induce a bluff if he was spewing chips with a semi-bluff on the turn.

[mattnxtc]

TT

I think he is less likely to have JJ than AA here.

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TT

I think he is less likely to have JJ than AA here.

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It doesn't matter because both beat you. AA &amp; JJ are nearly as likely as QQ and TT within his holdings. a tiny bit more than 50% of his "made hand" range you win, a bit less than 50% you lose.