Live Poker Pros - Page 2

MrMore · #11 11-09-2007, 04:25 AM

I was just wondering if anyone who gets to have real sex doesn't watch porn everyday?

livesinabarn · #12 11-09-2007, 05:04 AM

Guesses, but

Ed Miller, Gabe Thaler, Kenny Tran(until ftp deal), Bart Hanson as the known ones but nearly everyone who beats 5/10nl or 10/20 and above and is a regular of a big room(bellagio,commerce, bicycle, and the other big la, lv and ac ones) considers themselves to be a "professional live player".

futuredoc85 · #13 11-09-2007, 05:36 AM

someone crushing 5/10 live makes about as much $/hr as a good 100NL player online, fwiw

McStinky · #14 11-09-2007, 09:46 AM

I am a live pro. I don't play online because it doesn't feel like real poker to me and is way less fun. Picking up physical tells and getting to know how someone thinks by observing them in real life is really cool. I may start playing online to improve my fundamentals though. It is a great way to get cheap practice against solid players.

SellingtheDrama · #15 11-09-2007, 10:07 AM

I consider myself a part time pro (I work a regular job, but play poker for side income). I'd just simply rather play live. I beat online games consistently for two years, and just simply got tired of it. I also hated massive multitabling, and frankly wasn't good at it.
Live is more interesting to me, I enjoy getting to meet new people and have had some very interesting conversations with a wide variety of folks. I'm also making quite good money for the investment required, and as long as that's true I don't see any reason to change.

futuredoc85 · #16 11-09-2007, 10:38 AM

ya i was just explaining why the poster above said that people playing lower stakes for a living are doing so b/c they cant beat online. I enjoy playing live as well when im in LV but i could never put in enough hours to live off of live play alone, mainly cause i find playing at a table full of quiet people insanely boring and partially b/c i just cant stay in the same place doing the same thing for more than 4-5 hours before i start to go crazy.

otter · #17 11-09-2007, 03:10 PM

I'm curious how you come up with that reasoning? Do you have data to support it or is this just your opinion? I ask because I make a living at the $5-10nl in my local casino and have just recently started playing online again (last couple months) on occasion.

I'm playing full, $1-2NL online and the games are pretty tight-in general (barely a sample size worth mentioning...100 hours). I use very good table selection, but inevitably there are 7 people at the tables that play about 17% of the hands and maybe a couple 22%ers and one live one. if I'm lucky. Once the live one busts out the table is again filled with rocks and if the pots are big it's because you're got one rock getting it all in w/ A's w/ the other having K's. That's just a trend I've been seeing and I usually play late at night

Paulie Walnuts · #18 11-09-2007, 03:16 PM

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I'm curious how you come up with that reasoning? Do you have data to support it or is this just your opinion? I ask because I make a living at the $5-10nl in my local casino and have just recently started playing online again (last couple months) on occasion.

I'm playing full, $1-2NL online and the games are pretty tight-in general (barely a sample size worth mentioning...100 hours). I use very good table selection, but inevitably there are 7 people at the tables that play about 17% of the hands and maybe a couple 22%ers and one live one. if I'm lucky. Once the live one busts out the table is again filled with rocks and if the pots are big it's because you're got one rock getting it all in w/ A's w/ the other having K's. That's just a trend I've been seeing and I usually play late at night

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Exactly why I mainly stick to PLO when I play online. Too many pros whereas live I play with more casual players.

FireStorm · #19 11-09-2007, 03:18 PM

The online comment is ridiculous. I'm sure there are some live players who cannot beat online, but this isn't everyone and it can be for a variety of reasons. Not everyone is an antisocial muppet who thinks life is about clicking a button on as many tables at once to brag/lie about your winrate on 2p2.com. Certain people simply prefer live dynamics, dislike computers in general, or have a game that is better suited to their local venues.

As far as the OP, the difficulties live obviously are tied to the decreased number of hands/hour, which leads to things like going two hours without hitting a board, or going a week straight when you're never up during a session, etc. The rake is also a key factor that needs to be paid attention to, and when it comes to underground venues, one must put a good deal of time into analyzing when said location may dry up, get raided, etc.

futuredoc85 · #20 11-09-2007, 03:50 PM

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I'm curious how you come up with that reasoning? Do you have data to support it or is this just your opinion? I ask because I make a living at the $5-10nl in my local casino and have just recently started playing online again (last couple months) on occasion.

I'm playing full, $1-2NL online and the games are pretty tight-in general (barely a sample size worth mentioning...100 hours). I use very good table selection, but inevitably there are 7 people at the tables that play about 17% of the hands and maybe a couple 22%ers and one live one. if I'm lucky. Once the live one busts out the table is again filled with rocks and if the pots are big it's because you're got one rock getting it all in w/ A's w/ the other having K's. That's just a trend I've been seeing and I usually play late at night

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playing hours might be the prob, early in the morning and primetime EST hrs are usually really good at stars for 2/4-5/10, cant say about 1/2. I also play 6-max almost all the time so that might have something to do with it. My figures werent based on anything i put much effort into but here is what i did:

5/10 live= winning at 10ptbbs (20 big blinds)/100 hands= $200/100 hands. assuming ~30 hands/hr thats $60/hr

.5/1 online= winning at 5ptbbs (10 big blinds)/100 hands= $10/100 hands, so 6 tabling is gonna make about $54/hr, 7 tabling $63/hr.

my hourly at .5/1 online was $68/hr 7-8 tabling so its def possible. This summer at the series i didnt really track my hourly at 5/10, but keep in mind also that live players will have to tip waitresses and dealers as well.