Hand from deep in the ub 200k

[mlagoo]

yeah like i cant figure out why he would want to play AA-QQ this way. i think its probably a call.

[d2themfi]

meh i think it is a fold. I think he can narrow your hand range down pretty well and is expecting to get called imo.

[gobboboy]

I think calling here is not nearly as good as shoving. He only has 60k behind and there's 15k in the pot. You have jacks. I rewager.

[mlagoo]

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meh i think it is a fold. I think he can narrow your hand range down pretty well and is expecting to get called imo.

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i dont really agree that this is true, why do we need a big hand to call here preflop, with position and a larger stack deep in a big tourney? i think, while our range isnt huge, it definitely includes hands that just insta-fold to his flop cram, which may have tried to make a play if he bets like 13k or whatever.

[d2themfi]

tbh i dont think we can call preflop with out a pretty damn strong hand. We are sandwiched between an EP raise an and utg limp from a shortstack and we just CC about 1/8th of the eff stacks with the other big stack at our table. that seems pretty damn strong to me.

[psyduck]

I like the line and I snap call postflop. You are never behind to his wager.

[MauriceSch]

snapcall

[mastr]

def call post, def agree with gobbo on shvoe pre

[Todd Terry]

Pre, I think 3bet/call > fold > call. I just don't think calling can be +cEV here, you're folding 52% of flops (overcards assuming 2 are out), you're going broke or at least losing more chips on flops where you flop an overpair and Villain has a bigger one, you're winning a c-bet when you flop an overpair and Villain has overcards, 12% of the time you'll flop a set.

Postflop, the hands that make the most sense are AKhh and AQhh, which makes you a 55-45 dog but you're getting pot odds to call. Your flat call with UTG limper yet to act looks strong, Villain doesn't care, which could make it a set or a higher pair as well. While it's an overbet, any bet pot commits Villain anyway. Coming from a good player, this could easily be a value shove disguised as a bluff. I'd fold.

[BKiCe]

"rewager" is completely brilliant

i call pf and call his flop shove pretty quickly