Oh yeah i flopped the nuts twice

[recallme]

1. 24/7/4/4/7

Cryptologic
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $5/$10
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $1381
UTG+1: $316
Hero: $965
Button: $866.69
SB: $1621
BB: $846

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is CO with T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
2 folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $35</font>, 2 folds, BB calls.

Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($75, 2 players)
BB checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $45</font>, <font color="#cc0000">BB raises to $150</font>.

Am i 3betting or just get it on turn?


2. Villains are unknown

Party Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $5/$10
5 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $987.24
CO: $985
Button: $1785.25
Hero: $1015
BB: $2132.50

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is SB with 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">UTG raises to $30</font>, 2 folds, Hero calls, BB calls.

Flop: J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($90, 3 players)

I wouldlike to have a flop plan here.
Am i bet/3betting, bet/calling or c/r?
I wouldlike to have a reason for your answer, because all lines have ups and downs.

[ebarnet]

oh yeah, you flopped the 2nd nuts one and the 3rd nuts once

[AAismyfriend]

Hand 1 I like calling the flop and shoving over a turn bet.

Hand 2 I could go either way. I like bet/3betting if he's aggro. C/R is fine too though

[LuckyDice]

Shove hand 1. Why wait to see a card that could either outdraw you or kill your action?

Hand 2 I think bet/3bet or c/r are both fine. I could even see c/c if BB leads out and UTG folds. If I lead though I think I'm making weak, like 50 or so. I'm afraid that pot would just get called quite a bit while 50 is more likely to get raised.

[Jamie217]

The villian in hand one is so aggro that he could be making a play on you..I def like calling and shoving over a turn bet.. hand 2 I think I like a bet/3bet as long as you take this line w/ draws sometimes as well.. if bet/3bet isnt in your bag of tricks then a c/r is fine

[LuckyDice]

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The villian in hand one is so aggro that he could be making a play on you..I def like calling and shoving over a turn bet.. hand 2 I think I like a bet/3bet as long as you take this line w/ draws sometimes as well.. if bet/3bet isnt in your bag of tricks then a c/r is fine

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He's definitely aggro. But do you think he's firing again on the turn as a bluff? I mean, if we ever just call his flop raise are we ever going to be folding the turn? Isn't our range for calling that raise really strong?

[Praetor]

In hand one you should be betting WAAY more on the flop in the first place

Without more specific reads that stats against this aggro guy I like call

[Jamie217]

idk its tough I agree w/ you but he isnt coming along w/ much if we 3bet the flop.. meh ye maybe 3betting is better id like to hear more reasoning

[Jamie217]

yea didnt even notice 45 into 75 what is that... im betting like 60/65

[recallme]

H1: My bet should appear like a blocker, which he raises with a K/air. If i 3bet i fold so much of his range, which he would fire again on turn, that i think calling is woth the risk of another c, right?

H2: UTG was the preflop raiser, so i decided making another blocking bet against his hopefully high pocket pair.
So i could get a call out of BB.

I bet 55 ( perhaps tooless, but i think ican get it on turn againsr most overpairs nevertheless.

BB called and UTG raised to 195.
Am i bet/shoving or calling hoping that BB comes along and c/r turn?