25NL - Top Pair no good here?

volition · #1 08-01-2007, 08:41 AM

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SB ($12.97)
BB ($24.25)
UTG ($8.84)
MP ($48.21)
Hero ($25)
Button ($7.67)

Preflop: Hero is CO with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. Hero posts a blind of $0.25.
UTG raises to $0.75, 1 fold, Hero (poster) calls $0.50, 3 folds.

Flop: ($1.85) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG bets $1, Hero raises to $3, UTG calls $2.

Turn: ($7.85) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG calls $8.84 (All-In), Hero....

Call this with no read on the villain?

My thinking here is that I should be more inclined to call him the shorter the stack he has, I'm just wondering is his stack short enough for me to make a good call here? I had to call $5.09 on the turn, with a 3 flush and board pair there...

Nick C · #2 08-01-2007, 09:39 AM

3-betting preflop is a consideration.

On the turn, I think you should call. Villain's flop donkbet looks like a draw or weak made hand (like JJ), and, well, the most obvious draw got there, but JsJc hasn't yet.

And if Villain is playing this way with, like, AK-A9, you will win a decent chunk of the time, despite the fact that his kicker will often be a spade.

Edit: The thing about short-stacks is, they'll often play aggressively with anything they have no intention of folding. Which makes some sense, actually (they might as well take whatever folding equity they can get), but they still often play for their small stacks with a wider range of hands than they should.

monkeymaps · #3 08-01-2007, 10:16 AM

stack sizes are messed up UTG starts hand with 8.84 then pushes the turn for 8.84? so somethings off there. but a would say call on the turn short stack is pushing enough hands you beat here to call IMO.

murmeltier21 · #4 08-01-2007, 10:19 AM

cardrunners lesson #1: don't post blinds like that!

i would 3bet preflop and be happy to get it in against a shortstack donkey.
as played raise that flop to 4 and insta call turn. i wouldn't even think about it. there's so many hands that you beat and not many that beat you!

slickterp · #5 08-01-2007, 10:27 AM

Stack size is also less of a consideration for you in a cash game, you can rebuy. He could have the made flush, or AK/AJ w/ the K/Js, or as mentioned above a decent pair (TT to QQ, I would think he would have raised more w/ KK or AA). It depends on your read of him I think. His stack is short, so it may be safe to assume in a low bloind game like that he has been playing poorly, so I think I owuld call.

monkeymaps · #6 08-01-2007, 12:31 PM

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Stack size is also less of a consideration for you in a cash game, you can rebuy. He could have the made flush, or AK/AJ w/ the K/Js, or as mentioned above a decent pair (TT to QQ, I would think he would have raised more w/ KK or AA). It depends on your read of him I think. His stack is short, so it may be safe to assume in a low bloind game like that he has been playing poorly, so I think I owuld call.

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WTF?

hunt1897 · #7 08-01-2007, 01:44 PM

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Stack size is also less of a consideration for you in a cash game, you can rebuy. He could have the made flush, or AK/AJ w/ the K/Js, or as mentioned above a decent pair (TT to QQ, I would think he would have raised more w/ KK or AA). It depends on your read of him I think. His stack is short, so it may be safe to assume in a low bloind game like that he has been playing poorly, so I think I owuld call.

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WTF?

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LOL....sorry, but I was really laughing.

monkeymaps · #8 08-01-2007, 01:47 PM

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Stack size is also less of a consideration for you in a cash game, you can rebuy. He could have the made flush, or AK/AJ w/ the K/Js, or as mentioned above a decent pair (TT to QQ, I would think he would have raised more w/ KK or AA). It depends on your read of him I think. His stack is short, so it may be safe to assume in a low bloind game like that he has been playing poorly, so I think I owuld call.

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WTF?

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LOL....sorry, but I was really laughing.

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I gave it the WTF more for content than the grammer. I mean I cant make fun of him for that I mispell all the time here.

hunt1897 · #9 08-01-2007, 01:48 PM

If villian is pushing with about 5 bucks left, easy call, but you are beat here a lot.

IMO.

Eyes still watering.