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#112
11-05-2007, 02:39 PM
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1. Sheff says he recieved the same thing Barry did, a clear and cream substance. Greg testified on Sept 3, 2003, that he gave steroids to his "little guys", Benito Santiago, Armando Rios, Marvin Benard, and Bobby Estella. He never mentioned giving steroids to Barry Bonds or Gary Sheffield. Greg, in fact, testified that Barry Bonds had never taken "the clear" or "the cream". The only thing "damning" with this statement is that, for all we know, Sheff and Bonds both recieved flaxseed oil and arthritic balm from Greg. [/ QUOTE ] For all we know, Sheff and Bonds both recieved "the cream" and "the clear" from Greg. But because Greg says he never gave his highest paid, highest profile clients these things even though he admits to giving them to other clients we should give him the benefit of the doubt? Inconclusive either way, but certainly does nothing to clear BB/GS. [ QUOTE ] 2. Sheff says he never saw Barry taking "red beans". Not very damning, considering this would be exculpatory. [/ QUOTE ] Agreed. Just included the whole quote. [ QUOTE ] 3. Sheff says he saw Bonds taking a clear substance, and a cream substance. Did Sheff see Bonds taking flaxseed oil and arthritic balm? Even Sheff says he doesn't know, and he isn't sure. Yet, you think it is "damning" because you project your opinion that you WANT it to be steroids, rather than looking at it objectively. Funny how that works...huh? [/ QUOTE ] Right, so he is not sure. Which is fine with me. I am not sure. But when you add up the pieces it seems pretty damning. 1) Greg Anderson and Victor Conte make/distribute PED's. 2) BB/GS/other players work with Greg Anderson. 3) Other players implicated in getting PED's from Anderson. 4) BB/GS willingly take a substance that they think is flaxseed oil and arthritic balm, but are not sure that is what it was. 5) Profit? 
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#113
11-05-2007, 02:51 PM
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[ QUOTE ] Ballplayers dont usually just go from base knocking smallish guys to giant huge-head home run hitters well past the time their body should have started slowing down. [/ QUOTE ] Home Runs 1988 NL-24-9 1990 NL-33-4 1992 NL-34-2 1993 NL-46-1 1994 NL-37-3 1995 NL-33-4 1996 NL-42-2 1997 NL-40-4 1998 NL-37-9 2000 NL-49-2 2001 NL-73-1 2002 NL-46-2 2003 NL-45-2 2004 NL-45-4 Oops, Barry's been a consistent HR hitter for his entire career. [/ QUOTE ] HR by PA 1988 23 3.9% 1989 24 2.8% 1990 25 5.4% 1991 26 4.0% 1992 27 5.6% 1993 28 6.9% 1994 29 7.9% 1995 30 5.2% 1996 31 6.3% 1997 32 5.8% 1998 33 5.4% 1999 34 7.9% 2000 35 8.2% 2001 36 11.0% 2002 37 7.5% 2003 38 8.2% 2004 39 7.3% 2005 40 9.8% 2006 41 5.3% Oops. Number of HR's is largely irrelevant. This is a much better way to compare his numbers. Is it just random that his 3 best years happen to coincide with the time table for his supected steroid use? Again, this is not damning in its own right, it should just be another piece of the puzzle.
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#114
11-05-2007, 02:54 PM
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Re: Bonds Responds
Manbearpig,
His HR by PA is going to drift upwards when the general trend of HR rate of the league is drifting upward. I posted his raw number by year to point out that he's been a top 5 HR in his league compared to his peers over the majority of his career. This isn't like Brady Anderson's retarded year in 1996.
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#116
11-05-2007, 03:04 PM
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Here is another interesting chart:
YR AGE HR/BIP HR/H 1986 22 5.1% 17.4% 1987 23 5.4% 17.4% 1988 24 5.3% 15.8% 1989 25 3.9% 13.2% 1990 26 7.6% 21.2% 1991 27 5.7% 16.8% 1992 28 8.4% 23.1% 1993 29 10.0% 25.4% 1994 30 10.6% 30.3% 1995 31 7.8% 22.1% 1996 32 9.5% 26.4% 1997 33 9.0% 25.8% 1998 34 8.0% 22.2% 1999 35 11.6% 36.6% 2000 36 12.2% 33.3% 2001 37 19.1% 46.8% 2002 38 12.9% 30.9% 2003 39 13.6% 33.8% 2004 40 13.6% 33.3%
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#117
11-05-2007, 03:09 PM
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Why aren't his 2006 or 2007 numbers on there?
Edit: And how does this all compare to the league-wide trend?
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#118
11-05-2007, 03:16 PM
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Manbearpig, His HR by PA is going to drift upwards when the general trend of HR rate of the league is drifting upward. I posted his raw number by year to point out that he's been a top 5 HR in his league compared to his peers over the majority of his career. This isn't like Brady Anderson's retarded year in 1996. [/ QUOTE ] Completely agree with you. That is why I qualified it by saying it is in no way indvidually damning. However, while his home run rates did increase at the same time as league rates did, he was also doing it at an age when you would expect him to be declining.
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#119
11-05-2007, 03:17 PM
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Wait, people thought Bonds was on steroids in 1994? [/ QUOTE ] 29 years old. Largely considered a "prime age", no?
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#120
11-05-2007, 03:18 PM
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Why aren't his 2006 or 2007 numbers on there? Edit: And how does this all compare to the league-wide trend? [/ QUOTE ] Not my chart. But his increase is almost certainly much higher than the league increase. I am trying to find some numbers now.
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