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11-12-2007, 06:35 PM
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Re: Bizarre river raise
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it seems optimistic to think that neither of them has a pair or A-high. I dunno, I guess betting is still right since we could have as many as 15 outs if our overcards are good. If button raises and EP calls, are you 3-betting for value? [/ QUOTE ] We don't need to be ahead. Good chance button has AQ/AJ/KQ type hands and will fold his two black cards. EP will also be hard-pressed to continue with overcards on the turn if we bet again. We can always check the turn if we want. I think it's unlikely button raises and EP calls, more likely button raises and EP either 3-bets or folds, but if they are both in the hand I usually just call OOP if raised. In position, you can try to see if raiser has that "I got a set" look in his eye or not. Then you can either call or 4-bet it. I like a river call though, I don't think we can 3-town this hand the way it's played out, unless we think button has JTs?!?! 
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#2
11-13-2007, 06:14 AM
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Re: Bizarre river raise
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Is it wrong to want to just check the flop here? [/ QUOTE ] are you [censored] kidding me? 3bet river, if he doesnt have a straight or worse flush he probably has 6s3s/Ah3x or something moronic like that that he'll gladly call 3 with, if he 4bets then pay him his hard earned money because he sounds dumb enough that i dont mind telling myself he could play a worse flush like this thinking it cant possibly lose. *edit* should have read replies to see that mike l already gave the right answer
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#3
11-13-2007, 07:25 AM
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Re: Bizarre river raise
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then pay him his hard earned money because he sounds dumb enough that i dont mind telling myself he could play a worse flush like this thinking it cant possibly lose. [/ QUOTE ] I agree with the flop bet(LOL at doing anything else) and a river 3bet, but this train of thought is a very bad poker mantra to have and I would've thought that you of all people you wouldn't have it. Not trying to be a douche but this sounds like a bad justification to use, ever. I wouldn't care if a lot of the people in this forum said this, but I've been told you're better than this. We 3bet/call because it's +EV. (I personally think it's close) Edit: Sometimes I can't tell if you're leveling with your beats. This may be another one of those times.
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#4
11-13-2007, 03:33 PM
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Re: Bizarre river raise
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We 3bet/call because it's +EV. [/ QUOTE ] thats exactly what i said, this is just my new way of posting lazily, i cant really justify putting effort into well thought out posts any more when people are suggesting [censored] like checking this flop. we 3bet because anything else would be dumb, we call the 4th bet because the other guy is dumb and very likely doesnt understand the strength of his hand. i wasnt implying that we should spite call if we get 4bet i just meant that instead of making a heroic laydown we have enough reason to believe there are a solid amount of worse hands in his range that we can call a 4th bet here easily. this is also probably one of those spots where 3betting is the most profitable play even if we were to call and lose 100% of the time that we are 4bet which im almost certain isnt the case.
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#5
11-12-2007, 04:29 PM
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Re: Bizarre river raise
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Hard to believe he wouldn't raise w/ a set before the river, or a flush for that matter, and you beat most flushes. I 3-bet this river. [/ QUOTE ] Then I guess you would also endorse calling 4 as well? Garland
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#6
11-12-2007, 03:48 PM
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Re: Bizarre river raise
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It's hard to put him on hands; I guess he's a thinking LAG with FPS. [/ QUOTE ] You can't fold, since he could be raising a smaller flush or trips. You can't raise, since you are probably a dog against hands that will call your raise or reraise. Therefore you call.
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#7
11-12-2007, 04:42 PM
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Re: Bizarre river raise
Maybe it's a weakness of mine but when I've shown as much strength as it's possible to show and then I get raised I've got to have a pretty darn good reason to re-raise and I don't see that reason here so I just call.
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#9
11-12-2007, 07:07 PM
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Re: Bizarre river raise
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Call. [/ QUOTE ] Happy birthday Shawn!
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#10
11-12-2007, 06:41 PM
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Re: Bizarre river raise
I don't understand how people are advising a threebet on the river...This raise is either a random bluff or a hand that has us beat more often then not. He did call three bets preflop. You would have to be the loosest of loose people to have worse than AJ/AT or a 99 type hand here. Are you trying to convince me he has JTs flush? I think his range is a lot more AJ hearts, AT hearts and 99 then anything else...call and then cry that you were never ahead in the hand.
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