Absolute Poker's Official Response to "superuser" allegations

[WordWhiz]

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This has been asked before but not really responded too:

If this guy was able to get a "superuser" account, he was only busted due to playing it like an idiot. So it is perfectly reasonable to assume that other other major sites have been hacked as well, and the super user accounts are just not caught because they play more reasonable, and quietly make $1,000's. Do we just accept that this is the reality of playing online poker?

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Well, sites should not have "superuser" accounts at all. But is is possible that some people are quietly making millions on all sites with inside knowledge? Anything's possible. I tend to think not, however. People have a natural tendency to brag about their exploits, and secrets can rarely be kept among more than 2-3 people. I'm highly skeptical that something like this has happened elsewhere. There'd be at least some evidence, and right now there's none.

[InTheDark]

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If you return my $6,000 and the over $50,000 stolen from IkesToys, then I will consider playing at your site again.

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Perhaps you'll consider it....for maybe a nanosecond but I call BS on you ever playing there again.

[Vega33]

For anyone (like the guy on pocketfives) who is still trying to poke holes into individual hands in the tourney HHs, you have got to realize that this is *cumulative* evidence.

Even before the HHs on this particular tourney were leaked, potripper was already under enormous suspicion based on his overall stats. To add these tourney HHs to the mix makes it something like 1 chance in a billion that there is no fraud going on.

Potripper is like a guy who has previously been spotted in the vacinity of 15 separate serial killer murders. And then there's a 16th murder and, lo and behold, the police find actual video evidence showing that same guy walking directly behind the victim a few minutes before he's killed.

Yes, if the video were all the evidence that existed, you might give the guy the benefit of the doubt that he's not the serial killer and just happened to be walking behind the victim that night. But it would be ludicrous to do so in light of the evidence already on file.

[e_phemeral]

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This has been asked before but not really responded too:

If this guy was able to get a "superuser" account, he was only busted due to playing it like an idiot. So it is perfectly reasonable to assume that other other major sites have been hacked as well, and the super user accounts are just not caught because they play more reasonable, and quietly make $1,000's. Do we just accept that this is the reality of playing online poker?

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Of course it is possible that this is happening every day on every poker website. Anyone who claims this is an isolated incident is full of sh*t. This is just the only time that someone has used their edge in such a retarded and blatant manner, and in big money cash games and tournies, as to alert smart intelligent players in the online poker community to the fact that something fishy was going on. Smart players with this ability would just lie low under the radar quietly raking in tons of money but never being so blatant about it as to raise suscpicion.

I for one am done playing online poker. Bring on the B&M.

[Vega33]

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I for one am done playing online poker. Bring on the B&M.

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I won't go that far, especially since I've won a good bit of money playing online poker during times when B&M poker wasn't available to me (basically all the time except weekends). Even assuming I would have won more if not for fraud, the fact remains that the profit is still gravy- there's nowhere else I can play in my town on a weekday night. The calculation might be different for someone who lives in a city with B&M poker, though.

[ALLEN BOND]

What was the IP for POTRIPPER? Where is this guy from?

[KEW]

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This has been asked before but not really responded too:

If this guy was able to get a "superuser" account, he was only busted due to playing it like an idiot. So it is perfectly reasonable to assume that other other major sites have been hacked as well, and the super user accounts are just not caught because they play more reasonable, and quietly make $1,000's. Do we just accept that this is the reality of playing online poker?

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This is,was and always will be a concern...I trust the "major" sites to take proper "security" measures to "limit" the possibility...IMO it's impossible to 100% eliminate this risk..

[KEW]

"I for one am done playing online poker. Bring on the B&M."

I view this risk as the same thing as running into a "card mechanic" dealer in a B&M...In fact I would worry more about a "live" dealer "stacking the deck" then I would an Internet site security...

[e_phemeral]

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"I for one am done playing online poker. Bring on the B&M."

I view this risk as the same thing as running into a "card mechanic" dealer in a B&M...In fact I would worry more about a "live" dealer "stacking the deck" then I would an Internet site security...

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IMO that's a crazy comparison. Maybe I don't know enough about "mechanics" and their "art", but I think the risk of running into collusion, hacking or any other form of cheating at on online poker site is much higher than the risk of running into a crooked dealer at a reputable B&M casino. Moreover, having the ability to see other people's hole cards is a much more devastating advantage to have over your opponents than to be working with a crooked dealer who can deal you the nuts every now and then.

Anyone who tries to minimize this hole card scandal is either (a) foolish, (b) a winning player worried that the "online is rigged" cry will dry up their action or (c) a freaking cheater.

The bottom line is that IMO it has been proven without a doubt that certain players on Absolute could see other player's hole cards. That is astounding, isn't it?!?!? That is f*cked up, isn't it?!?!? I can understand how a winning player might react to this information with a bit of skepticism and a kind of "ok, that's great, let's just fix the problem quietly" kind of attitude, but come on. This is bad bad bad for online poker.

[Palomino]

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"I for one am done playing online poker. Bring on the B&M."

I view this risk as the same thing as running into a "card mechanic" dealer in a B&M...In fact I would worry more about a "live" dealer "stacking the deck" then I would an Internet site security...

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IMO that's a crazy comparison. Maybe I don't know enough about "mechanics" and their "art", but I think the risk of running into collusion, hacking or any other form of cheating at on online poker site is much higher than the risk of running into a crooked dealer at a reputable B&M casino. Moreover, having the ability to see other people's hole cards is a much more devastating advantage to have over your opponents than to be working with a crooked dealer who can deal you the nuts every now and then.

Anyone who tries to minimize this hole card scandal is either (a) foolish, (b) a winning player worried that the "online is rigged" cry will dry up their action or (c) a freaking cheater.

The bottom line is that IMO it has been proven without a doubt that certain players on Absolute could see other player's hole cards. That is astounding, isn't it?!?!? That is f*cked up, isn't it?!?!? I can understand how a winning player might react to this information with a bit of skepticism and a kind of "ok, that's great, let's just fix the problem quietly" kind of attitude, but come on. This is bad bad bad for online poker.

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I agree, this is "bad bad" for online poker. So, please, everyone stop ***** talking about it! It happened, and I'm sure it happens elsewhere, AP is just the only place where someone has been stupid enough to get caught. We all know the risks of playing online, but we accept those risks as soon as we deposit money on to the account. I am trying to minimize this whole thing because yes, I am a winning player and I DON'T want online poker to go away. The more people bitch about this whole thing the more likely it is that all of online poker will go down for it. So please, if you are unhappy with AP, don't F****ING play there. But I am very happy playing there, so please don't ruin it for me and others like me.