***August LC Thread*** - OMG I have this great amazing story...

[kolotoure]

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Cwar, why didn't you jam the flop in the QJ v AQ hand?

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?

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I thought you were villain in this hand

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Hold'em Cash Game
$0.50/$1 Blinds
2 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

<u>Kolo (BB): $106.70</u>
<u>SB: $101.50</u>

Preflop: Kolo is dealt A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q (2 Players)
<font color="red">SB raises to $3.00</font>, <font color="red">Kolo raises to $10.00</font>, SB calls $7.00

Flop: ($20) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Kolo checks, <font color="red">SB bets $15.00</font>, <font color="red">Kolo raises to $45.00</font>, <font color="red">SB raises all-in to $91.50</font>, Kolo calls $46.50

Turn: ($203) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 All-In)

River: ($203) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 All-In)

Pot Size: $203.00 ($0.50 Rake)

SB had Q J (a pair of Queens) and LOST (-$101.50)
Kolo had A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q (a pair of Queens) and WON (+$101.00)

[IronFly]

wtf is that?

[derosnec]

let's talk Jam/Fold tables in Mathematics of Poker for a second (for you turbo junkies)

assuming i'm not the only one that's read this book 5 times and been confused every minute of it, in the tables, it says, for example, to call a shove with QJo if your stack is 19.9 bbs.

now, is this against an opponent who is shoving according to the optimal strategy? because when i look back at my games, people are shoving roughly the top 15%-20% of their hands, which makes a call here -EV.

so, should i throw these tables which i am convinced have cost me lots of $$ over the months and just go by straight equity calcs against opponent's shoving range?

[bbbushu]

derosnec,

if i understand them correctly, the chen/ankenmann tables are based on equity calcs against opponent's shoving range given that villain is shoving optimally.

really, i think those tables just give you an idea of where to start - is villain shoving more? loosen up. is villain shoving a tighter range (most likely) - then tighten up. the tables also give a basic idea of which hands to add as the looseness and tightness of villain oscillates.

if you have a specific idea of how villain is shoving, your calcs should be a lot more profitable.

[soop]

Pretty decent thread here derosnec:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showfl...ue#Post11681461

[derosnec]

thanks good thread

[HokieGreg]

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THIS IS ALL I DID CORRECT TODAY AND IT PROLLY SUCKS

PokerStars Game #11745824152: Tournament #59600215, $11.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Match Round I, Level III (25/50) - 2007/08/28 - 19:34:40 (ET)
Table '59600215 1' 2-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: Dexx888 (1720 in chips)
Seat 2: babybupkr (1280 in chips)
Dexx888: posts small blind 25
babybupkr: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to babybupkr [2s 6h]
Dexx888 said, "what? u went all in with nothing"
Dexx888: calls 25
babybupkr: checks
*** FLOP *** [Kd 6c 8c]
babybupkr: checks
Dexx888: bets 100
babybupkr: raises 175 to 275
Dexx888: calls 175
*** TURN *** [Kd 6c 8c] [Jh]
babybupkr: checks
Dexx888: checks
*** RIVER *** [Kd 6c 8c Jh] [Jd]
babybupkr: checks
Dexx888: bets 300
babybupkr: calls 300
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Dexx888: shows [9c 4c] (a pair of Jacks)
babybupkr: shows [2s 6h] (two pair, Jacks and Sixes)
babybupkr collected 1250 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1250 | Rake 0
Board [Kd 6c 8c Jh Jd]
Seat 1: Dexx888 (button) (small blind) showed [9c 4c] and lost with a pair of Jacks

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Use all the info available to you. Villain says "what? you went all in with nothing?" at the beginning of the hand. This can't be a good hand to c/r bottom pair no kicker given your image. That being said, I would still lead out 125-150 to try to take it down right away and then shut down if i'm called.

[Schpacko]

Haha, i like this one:


FullTiltPoker Game #3240512791: $50 + $2.50 Heads Up Sit &amp; Go (24775276), Table 1 - 10/20 - No Limit Hold'em - 13:12:24 ET - 2007/08/13
Seat 1: Schpacko (1,240)
Seat 2: daytona666 (1,760)
daytona666 posts the small blind of 10
Schpacko posts the big blind of 20
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Schpacko [2c 4c]
daytona666 calls 10
Schpacko checks
*** FLOP *** [6d 2s Ts]
Schpacko checks
daytona666 checks
*** TURN *** [6d 2s Ts] [5d]
Schpacko checks
daytona666 checks
*** RIVER *** [6d 2s Ts 5d] [Jd]
Schpacko checks
daytona666 checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Schpacko shows [2c 4c] a pair of Twos
daytona666 shows [As Ad] a pair of Aces
daytona666 wins the pot (40) with a pair of Aces
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 40 Rake 0
Board: [6d 2s Ts 5d Jd]
Seat 1: Schpacko (big blind) showed [2c 4c] and lost with a pair of Twos
Seat 2: daytona666 (small blind) showed [As Ad] and won (40) with a pair of Aces

[ChicagoRy]

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Haha, i like this one:


FullTiltPoker Game #3240512791: $50 + $2.50 Heads Up Sit &amp; Go (24775276), Table 1 - 10/20 - No Limit Hold'em - 13:12:24 ET - 2007/08/13
Seat 1: Schpacko (1,240)
Seat 2: daytona666 (1,760)
daytona666 posts the small blind of 10
Schpacko posts the big blind of 20
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Schpacko [2c 4c]
daytona666 calls 10
Schpacko checks
*** FLOP *** [6d 2s Ts]
Schpacko checks
daytona666 checks
*** TURN *** [6d 2s Ts] [5d]
Schpacko checks
daytona666 checks
*** RIVER *** [6d 2s Ts 5d] [Jd]
Schpacko checks
daytona666 checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Schpacko shows [2c 4c] a pair of Twos
daytona666 shows [As Ad] a pair of Aces
daytona666 wins the pot (40) with a pair of Aces
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 40 Rake 0
Board: [6d 2s Ts 5d Jd]
Seat 1: Schpacko (big blind) showed [2c 4c] and lost with a pair of Twos
Seat 2: daytona666 (small blind) showed [As Ad] and won (40) with a pair of Aces

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Oh man Hokie had a great hand like this a few months ago involving KK, I think it was a 55 too. I love this kind of stuff. There's a thread that I believe originated in either HSNL or NVG or BBV, who knows really, the "strasser" thread where the definition is when you are raised all in for less than you originally raised and you fold, or something like that. Basically like eff. stacks 500, you raise to 100 guy reraises to 400 and you shove, he folds. That was a funny thread, or at least had potential.

[Schpacko]

This hand was against the same dude:


FullTiltPoker Game #3240500937: $50 + $2.50 Heads Up Sit &amp; Go (24775276), Table 1 - 10/20 - No Limit Hold'em - 13:10:28 ET - 2007/08/13
Seat 1: Schpacko (1,300)
Seat 2: daytona666 (1,700)
daytona666 posts the small blind of 10
Schpacko posts the big blind of 20
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Schpacko [Kh 2d]
daytona666 calls 10
Schpacko checks
*** FLOP *** [Js Ad 3s]
Schpacko checks
daytona666 checks
*** TURN *** [Js Ad 3s] [Qs]
Schpacko checks
daytona666 checks
*** RIVER *** [Js Ad 3s Qs] [8s]
Schpacko checks
daytona666 checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Schpacko shows [Kh 2d] Ace King high
daytona666 shows [Ah Jh] two pair, Aces and Jacks
daytona666 wins the pot (40) with two pair, Aces and Jacks
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 40 Rake 0
Board: [Js Ad 3s Qs 8s]
Seat 1: Schpacko (big blind) showed [Kh 2d] and lost with Ace King high
Seat 2: daytona666 (small blind) showed [Ah Jh] and won (40) with two pair, Aces and Jacks


The funny thing is that things like this piss me off when they happen because it hurts my heart to see how bad you can waste so beautiful hands [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]