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Old 06-13-2007, 08:38 AM
LordMushroom2 LordMushroom2 is offline
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Default NLTRN: Softness vs. Fees

If the softness of sites ranges from 1-10 (10 being softest) and a site with 5% fees is 6, how soft would a site with 10% fees have to be (all else being equal) in order to be equally profitable?
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Old 06-14-2007, 05:31 AM
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Default Re: NLTRN: Softness vs. Fees

Umm.. 12?
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Old 06-14-2007, 05:51 AM
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Default Re: NLTRN: Softness vs. Fees

I was kind of thinking 8,5 or something. Is that a bad estimate?
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Old 06-14-2007, 11:43 AM
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Default Re: NLTRN: Softness vs. Fees

I don't know the answer, but even if the more expensive site was slightly +EV I wouldn't play there, I don't like supporting being ripped off.
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Old 06-14-2007, 01:23 PM
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I don't think there's a site tough enough that charges 5% at any low or medium level that is worse than a very soft site charging 10%.

I guess Party is that soft 10% site.
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Old 06-14-2007, 02:19 PM
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Default Re: NLTRN: Softness vs. Fees

11+
Just do the math. The rake difference between 5% and 10% is horrible. For example: standard 60% winner at site with 10% rake will have to play by almost 50% more games (e.x. 150 games) than his 60% counterpart playing at site with 5% rake (e.x. 100 games)to make the same profit. You must be really big winner at soft site to make up for that and the question is if it is sustainable.
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Old 06-14-2007, 03:00 PM
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Default Re: NLTRN: Softness vs. Fees

At those levels I don't see how a 55% winner turns into a 65$ winner or w/e it takes to makeup the difference in rake. If I'm a 66% winner at the 11s on say PartyPoker, I doubt I'm going to be much lower on PokerStars, FTP or Bodog if at all.
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Old 06-14-2007, 06:44 PM
LordMushroom2 LordMushroom2 is offline
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Default Re: NLTRN: Softness vs. Fees

Ok, I will stay away from 10% fees. Thanks.
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Old 06-14-2007, 08:11 PM
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Default Re: NLTRN: Softness vs. Fees

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If the softness of sites ranges from 1-10 (10 being softest) and a site with 5% fees is 6, how soft would a site with 10% fees have to be (all else being equal) in order to be equally profitable?

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It depends. It the player is very fit, he can exploit the softness more fully, if fat and slobby, not so much.
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Old 06-15-2007, 07:28 PM
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Default Re: NLTRN: Softness vs. Fees

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If the softness of sites ranges from 1-10 (10 being softest) and a site with 5% fees is 6, how soft would a site with 10% fees have to be (all else being equal) in order to be equally profitable?

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It depends. It the player is very fit, he can exploit the softness more fully, if fat and slobby, not so much.

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[img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] Thatīs pretty funny. Pity we are probably the only ones getting the joke.
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