Fulltilt froze my account with 47 grand in it

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Ive never really had a huge opinion either way, but if the total evidence people are basing their conclusion of guilt on in this thread is that stat stuff then maybe im missing something.

As far as i can see, 3 accounts played very similarly. Hold the presses.

This doenst prove botting, this doesnt even prove multiaccounting. In my opinion anyway.

Put it this way, i could pull up PT which has a chunky database of mined hands - then pick out a 2+2er in that database. Then i could search for several accounts with similar stats. Then from this you will all know without a shadow of a doubt that this person is running an AI program and is a cheat. Right?

Again, not saying im taking any side here (i do love playing devils advocate however) - but whilst im sure there is more important "evidence" here what has been posted in this thread doenst come close to being anything.

[beaver]

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Wow ... maybe Mr. Gatorade's bot accusations were right after all ...

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Ummmm...which ones? Beatme1? Dean? I'm having trouble finding one relevant to this thread.

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Gatorade posted in this thread and addressed silly sal directly.

[skoal2k4]

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I'm sorry I haven't been able to say anything else.

I have been communicating with sillysal and FTP by PM and e-mail. I have been waiting for more than 24 hours for a corrected important spreadsheet, as I pointed out what I believe was a cell formula error for one of the columns, which could have affected a number of columns of statistics, imo. Of course, it is Sunday; or maybe they have serious business to attend to.

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I doubt that this possible error will have any impact on the decision, but it does re-enforce my belief for disclosure and a chance for the accused to rebut any findings

[Bobo Fett]

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Wow ... maybe Mr. Gatorade's bot accusations were right after all ...

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Ummmm...which ones? Beatme1? Dean? I'm having trouble finding one relevant to this thread.

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Gatorade posted in this thread and addressed silly sal directly.

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You're right, he did. Where is his correct bot accusation?

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It might be because you use 2 accounts...
grego777 and pokergirl z


-Crazy Mike

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Hey Gatorade,

Did you report the OP?

Also, it seems the OP has, and does, play under one or two names across all the sites. So im curious if this is another baseless acusation that you constantly make or do you have anything to back it up?

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No your right, Just another one of my absolutly ridiculous accusations that are never true. Bots dont exist. Also leppercons and Santa both are real as I have seen them on TV and at the mall.

-Crazy Mike

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Thats me always on a witch hunt.

-Crazy Mike

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Whatever investigation that is going on with her was not initiated by me nor reported by me. Does that answer your question? I only care about bots not people having mulitple accounts. If she is or has used a bot in the past or present then I care. By the way San Diego is burning!

-Crazy Mike

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It might be because you use 2 accounts...
grego777 and pokergirl z


-Crazy Mike

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Just deny that this is not true, makes me feel better when you lie to me more.

Thanks,
-Crazy Mike

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I am fully aware of the OP and the situation at hand here and wish to not comment further in this matter.

-Crazy Mike

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[Josem]

surprisingly good pole from a new poster

[whangarei]

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not to mention, its probably in ftp's best interest NOT to confiscate her 47k. if she's a high stakes LHE player shes going to generate a lot more than that in rake in one year.

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I might be completely wrong, but I think it wouldn't be quite that high. She's a HU player, and they cap the rake on HU tables at $.50 per pot. So the fact that it's high stakes shouldn't make a difference on rake, especially compared to a 6-max player.

Although I really have no idea how much rake she generates, you're probably right that it's -EV long term to lock her account and "steal" her money (which they said they were planning on using to reimburse those who she has played against.

I'm looking forward to reading Mike Haven's opinion on the evidence that he has had presented to him.

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QFT

a.) $47K isn't that much to tilt

b.) limit players even just heads up limit players generate GOOD amounts of rake, way over $47K in a 12 month timespan.

$100 says she was a bot...and I'll lay 2:1 [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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I'm pretty sure the amount of rake a good heads-up limit player generates does not compensate for the lost rake to the site that the weaker players would have otherwise generated by losing their money slowly in ring games.

[R*R]

Will we ever know for sure either way? Its up to Fulltilt to decide that but I don't expect so. At first, for me, it seemed that Sillysal was genuine and I really wanted to support her. Then cames Mike Haven's post but that alone was not enough to sway me that she was a bot. Then came gehrig posts and that started to sway me more towards a possible bot situation.
At this point it is not possble to to draw a valid conclusion. For this to happen I believe that Fulltilt has to be more forhtcoming with information (which I think they should be able to do without giving away their bot detection "secrets') or this will simply become a "he said she said" situation. As recent months exhibit, for some, it is getting more and more difficult to trust these online poker sites.

[Josem]

MH,

What was wrong with the pole?

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Edit/MH: I didn't think the choices were good, clear or fair.

[poker345]

Sillysal did you really use these 3 accounts? are they belongs to you or not?
why would he was botting on 3 accounts and not only from the 1...?