More flushes than straights....

[PantsOnFire]

I have a database of about 30K hands at a particular site for only MTTs.

Using PT, I noticed that I have about 1.6 times as many flushes as I do straights. The other hands have a normal distribution as per how likely they are.

I usually don't play offsuit connectors much so that may account for some of this but then again I don't just play any Ax suited a lot either and I certainly don't play Kx suited.

Any idea what gives here? I am I throwing away 109off and JT0ff too much maybe? Could it be related that deep into MTTs, these offsuit connectors and/or chasing straight draws is not worth it?

[mwette]

Here are card value groupings from HPfAP, which might help:
1: AA KK QQ JJ AKs
2: TT AQs AJs KQs AK
3: 99 ATs KJs QJs JTs AQ
4: 88 KTs QTs J9s T9s 98s AJ KQ
5: 77 AXs Q9s T8s 97s 87s 76s 65s KJ QJ JT
6: 66 55 K9s J8s 86s 75s 54s AT KT QT
7: 44 33 22 KXs Q8s T7s 64s 53s 43s J9 T9 98
8: J7s 96s 85s 74s 42s 32s A9 K9 Q9 J8 T8 87 76 65 54

[insyder19]

I have more flushes thatn straights too, simply because I rather call a raise if I am drawing to a flush than to a straight (more outs).

I can't think when I made a straight the last time, well actually just today to beat AA but that's it.

[El_Hombre_Grande]

I for one don't care much for offsuit connectors, certainly in NL. If I'm going to play it all on a draw, it should be a nut draw or close. Flushes only have paired boards to worry about (draw-wise) straights have that plus suited boards.

So to me, that makes sense. There are far more instances that you should lay down a straight draw than a flush draw.

[PantsOnFire]

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So to me, that makes sense. There are far more instances that you should lay down a straight draw than a flush draw.

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I suppose too that a nut straight/draw can turn into a non-nut straight/draw whereas a nut flush/draw will always be so.

I guess another factor is that Ah5h with a board AdJh2h is a lot better than 6h6d or 5h6s with a board of 7d5c4s.

What do you think about one-gapped suited connectors vs. non-suited connectors for the possible deceptive straight value?

[Lord_Strife]

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I for one don't care much for offsuit connectors, certainly in NL. If I'm going to play it all on a draw, it should be a nut draw or close. Flushes only have paired boards to worry about (draw-wise) straights have that plus suited boards.

So to me, that makes sense. There are far more instances that you should lay down a straight draw than a flush draw.

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Pretty much took the words right out of my mouth

[dfan]

also straights sometimes turn into flushes, but never vice-versa

[Barfunkel]

OTOH, when you make your straight you will get more value out of it against one or two pair. 3-flush board often kills the action.

Does anyone have data on how profitable straights/straight draws are?

[jesse8888]

A random thought that I just had....I've never flopped a gutshot flush draw [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[El_Hombre_Grande]

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So to me, that makes sense. There are far more instances that you should lay down a straight draw than a flush draw.

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I suppose too that a nut straight/draw can turn into a non-nut straight/draw whereas a nut flush/draw will always be so.

I guess another factor is that Ah5h with a board AdJh2h is a lot better than 6h6d or 5h6s with a board of 7d5c4s.

What do you think about one-gapped suited connectors vs. non-suited connectors for the possible deceptive straight value?

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NLHTAP suggests that one gappers are playable in many instances. They may be in some instances, and nothing is better then when you know he can't possibly know what you have. But in the online cash games I play in (shrt handed) I rarely find a table where the other players are passive enough. If you are going to probably get raised, youre probably going to miss, and probably fold.

I always play then at a passive preflop table.