Hand vs. Allen Cunningham at Borgata Poker Open

[Lighthouse00]

Kramer,

Your flop bet is horrible, because instead of check/shoving a hand like 99 now he can check call.

[NJpokahplaya]

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ad,
what's so bad about checking the turn?

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It's a free ~20% even if he 'only' has 8 outs, + he can have a ton more, + he is gonna CR with pair+draws or overpairs a lot here that we can pick off if you bet the right #...I know what you might be thinking and I would check AA here often, but not bottom 2.

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Adanthar, do you consider checking AA here but not 45 solely because of the 6 extra outs a PP has vs 45 or is there another factor I am overlooking? thanks

[Lighthouse00]

jesus christ checking AA or 43 are both equally awful on this board.

also bet/folding AA or 43 on this turn is [censored] AWFUL.

btw all this is ansky i am posting on a month old gimmick account because i have 3 hours left on my self imposed ban.

[AllinDan]

how come your preflop raise is so big?

[Prime Time]

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update: after talking to MLG some more, we're probably bet/folding and not bet/shoving which makes the two options much closer together. I still think betting is slightly better but it's not all that clear cut anymore.

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I think that this is exactly correct, as your hand at this point, plays just like AA.

[Bullet_Dodger]

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how come my balls are so small?

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[AllinDan]

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how come my balls are so small?

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what does it have to do with balls? seems like 800 or 1000 accomplish the same thing. . .just curious

obviously post flop is much more important

[Bullet_Dodger]

turn is super standard bet/call, doing anything else is terrible.

the only reason this hand warrants any interest at all is because villain is Allen Cunningham.

[Bullet_Dodger]

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what does it have to do with balls? seems like 800 or 1000 accomplish the same thing. . .just curious

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4 limpers to Hero. You have to take them into consideration and price them out. A "proper" raise is considered by most to be 3X the BB + 2X for any limper. That would be 600 + 200 + 200 + 200 + 200. That comes out to 1400. Although some people feel just 1X the BB is enough, so that would be a raise to 1,000. I prefer 3X + 2X, although neither sizes are wrong.

[betgo]

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how come your preflop raise is so big?

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With 4 limpers, OP's raise to 7xBB is standard. OP could raise more. If he raised less, he might get more callers, but it also might look suspicious that he had a big pair and wanted action. A smaller raise could also just be a donk who didn't know how much to raise.