3bet, top pair, resistance - same thread, new day imo

[Speedlimits]

bet this flop.

if you are going to check flop though then check this turn.

[Casper05]

When you call the turn (after checking flop), your hand is pretty much face up as TT-JJ/AQ/KQs right?

[thac]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying, I dunno what to do. I 3-bet without a plan and it made me feel like a donk.

[poopvagina69]

speed and casper both of you recommend a continuation bet on this flop right? What if the guy was like 40/15 and would constantly float the flop, still autobet?

[my1ifesavins]

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When you call the turn (after checking flop), your hand is pretty much face up as TT-JJ/AQ/KQs right?

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I don't think so. I don't think I've ever done this with JJ/TT (check flop then bet/call this turn). my range would be AQ/KQ/AK/rarely QQ+. not a huge difference since the best hand we can have is one pair besides QQ that decided to check the flop. but what does our hand being face up matter? not saying it doesn't matter just would like an explanation.

[Casper05]

If you're never checking this flop with TT-JJ, then your range after calling the turn range should be AQ/KQ because you shouldnt be checking with QQ+ either.

Thac, I think you should be checking the turn here...The only thing you really dont want to see is a K on the river and do you really think you are going to get 2 streets of value vs underpairs? There is also more value to be had because he is more likely to call a riverbet with worse than a turn bet because he knows he gets to see a showdown.

On the turn (as played) I'm either folding or shoving (more often shoving) depending on my reads. He is never going to follow up on his bluff on the river after we call his turn raise so it is basically a shove for protection from 2+ outs and to hope he can find a hero call with worse.

I may get flamed for this, but after you check the river I think fold is best.