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Re: What to do when a player goes south?
I dont't say anything in a limit game, until the persons tries to get all in.
Happened to me one time. Ex pro football players wins about $12,000 in a 60-120 limit game. He starts having his brother cash out chips for him. I dont say anything because I don't want the guy leaving the game. And he still has plenty of chips on the table. He has about $3000 in chips on the table and manages to piss back about $2700. He has $300 on the table and raises. I 3 bet with jacks. He calls. He bets the flop and I stop the game and tell the dealer to the call the floor. Guy knows he is caught and pulls out $500. I tell the dealer to cancel calling the floor. He calls me down and leaves the game. The guy comes in quite often and donks off a few thousand each trip. I try not to piss off people who pay my bills. |
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Re: What to do when a player goes south?
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I dont't say anything in a limit game, until the persons tries to get all in. Happened to me one time. Ex pro football players wins about $12,000 in a 60-120 limit game. He starts having his brother cash out chips for him. I dont say anything because I don't want the guy leaving the game. And he still has plenty of chips on the table. He has about $3000 in chips on the table and manages to piss back about $2700. He has $300 on the table and raises. I 3 bet with jacks. He calls. He bets the flop and I stop the game and tell the dealer to the call the floor. Guy knows he is caught and pulls out $500. I tell the dealer to cancel calling the floor. He calls me down and leaves the game. The guy comes in quite often and donks off a few thousand each trip. I try not to piss off people who pay my bills. [/ QUOTE ] So you wait until you are in a hand and then try to get money that isn't on the table in play when you have the best hand but are happy to let him get all-in if you don't want to get the money in? |
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Re: What to do when a player goes south?
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[ QUOTE ] I dont't say anything in a limit game, until the persons tries to get all in. Happened to me one time. Ex pro football players wins about $12,000 in a 60-120 limit game. He starts having his brother cash out chips for him. I dont say anything because I don't want the guy leaving the game. And he still has plenty of chips on the table. He has about $3000 in chips on the table and manages to piss back about $2700. He has $300 on the table and raises. I 3 bet with jacks. He calls. He bets the flop and I stop the game and tell the dealer to the call the floor. Guy knows he is caught and pulls out $500. I tell the dealer to cancel calling the floor. He calls me down and leaves the game. The guy comes in quite often and donks off a few thousand each trip. I try not to piss off people who pay my bills. [/ QUOTE ] So you wait until you are in a hand and then try to get money that isn't on the table in play when you have the best hand but are happy to let him get all-in if you don't want to get the money in? [/ QUOTE ] No. I wait until the guy tries to go all in and then make an issue out of it. My hand doesn't matter. |
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Re: What to do when a player goes south?
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No. I wait until the guy tries to go all in and then make an issue out of it. My hand doesn't matter. [/ QUOTE ] What's the threshold for bringing it up? Do you just wait until the bet that would have put himself all-in? Or do you bring it up preemptivley at two big bets left? Three? Four? Is the threshold dependant on your holding (e.g. whether you're banking on implied odds or not). If so, wouldn't you worry this could give info. on the nature of your hand. I think that any alteration of his stack would need to be done between hands, not in the middle of one. I can't think of any circumstances as a player where I should be allowed or forced to alter the size of my stack in the middle of a hand. I also find it noble (but weird) that "your hand doesn't matter" (if true). |
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Re: What to do when a player goes south?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I dont't say anything in a limit game, until the persons tries to get all in. Happened to me one time. Ex pro football players wins about $12,000 in a 60-120 limit game. He starts having his brother cash out chips for him. I dont say anything because I don't want the guy leaving the game. And he still has plenty of chips on the table. He has about $3000 in chips on the table and manages to piss back about $2700. He has $300 on the table and raises. I 3 bet with jacks. He calls. He bets the flop and I stop the game and tell the dealer to the call the floor. Guy knows he is caught and pulls out $500. I tell the dealer to cancel calling the floor. He calls me down and leaves the game. The guy comes in quite often and donks off a few thousand each trip. I try not to piss off people who pay my bills. [/ QUOTE ] So you wait until you are in a hand and then try to get money that isn't on the table in play when you have the best hand but are happy to let him get all-in if you don't want to get the money in? [/ QUOTE ] No. I wait until the guy tries to go all in and then make an issue out of it. My hand doesn't matter. [/ QUOTE ] Either way the decision should be the same : "He started the hand with this many chips on the table, that is what will play." The time to object to an irregularity is when it occurs, not at some future point. Even if your hand doesn't matter you are shooting an angle by not saying anything at the time (because it is to your advantage to not upset the player), but bringing it up in the future. |
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Re: What to do when a player goes south?
I find it better to say something to the dealer when it occurs. Something like, "Hey, are we letting people take chips off the table now?" This gets the job done.
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Re: What to do when a player goes south?
I wouldn't say something to someone who was a fish. Otherwise I'd find the most tactful way to bring it up.
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Re: What to do when a player goes south?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I dont't say anything in a limit game, until the persons tries to get all in. Happened to me one time. Ex pro football players wins about $12,000 in a 60-120 limit game. He starts having his brother cash out chips for him. I dont say anything because I don't want the guy leaving the game. And he still has plenty of chips on the table. He has about $3000 in chips on the table and manages to piss back about $2700. He has $300 on the table and raises. I 3 bet with jacks. He calls. He bets the flop and I stop the game and tell the dealer to the call the floor. Guy knows he is caught and pulls out $500. I tell the dealer to cancel calling the floor. He calls me down and leaves the game. The guy comes in quite often and donks off a few thousand each trip. I try not to piss off people who pay my bills. [/ QUOTE ] So you wait until you are in a hand and then try to get money that isn't on the table in play when you have the best hand but are happy to let him get all-in if you don't want to get the money in? [/ QUOTE ] No. I wait until the guy tries to go all in and then make an issue out of it. My hand doesn't matter. [/ QUOTE ] Either way the decision should be the same : "He started the hand with this many chips on the table, that is what will play." The time to object to an irregularity is when it occurs, not at some future point. Even if your hand doesn't matter you are shooting an angle by not saying anything at the time (because it is to your advantage to not upset the player), but bringing it up in the future. [/ QUOTE ] Im also a baseball umpire. I would use the same point of view as I do with an appeal on a play. If it isnt brought up at the time it happens, (eg. before the next hand) then you have lost all rights to said appeal. It should be brought to the dealer, if not the floorman's, attention as soon as it happens so it can be rectified. |
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Re: What to do when a player goes south?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I dont't say anything in a limit game, until the persons tries to get all in. Happened to me one time. Ex pro football players wins about $12,000 in a 60-120 limit game. He starts having his brother cash out chips for him. I dont say anything because I don't want the guy leaving the game. And he still has plenty of chips on the table. He has about $3000 in chips on the table and manages to piss back about $2700. He has $300 on the table and raises. I 3 bet with jacks. He calls. He bets the flop and I stop the game and tell the dealer to the call the floor. Guy knows he is caught and pulls out $500. I tell the dealer to cancel calling the floor. He calls me down and leaves the game. The guy comes in quite often and donks off a few thousand each trip. I try not to piss off people who pay my bills. [/ QUOTE ] So you wait until you are in a hand and then try to get money that isn't on the table in play when you have the best hand but are happy to let him get all-in if you don't want to get the money in? [/ QUOTE ] No. I wait until the guy tries to go all in and then make an issue out of it. My hand doesn't matter. [/ QUOTE ] I disagree about when to bring it up here. Fortunately this is a limit game but the floor sometimes gets things wrong and may bust him down to the minimum buy-in if this was a NL game and there was any dispute about how much exactly he was staked to have on the table. But IMO it is better to bring it up beforhand. Once in a while people do this and they are not aware of the rules that it has to stay on the table. But as you said this guy knew everybody so he must be aware of the rule that he has got to keep it all on the table and can't take it off. Just call the floor over and get him to put the checks back on the table but don't be rude about him just tell him very matter of factly. This guy has to know that he can't take table stakes off the table and play with less. Otherwise he has to get up. You shouldn't have to wait until he is all-in to bring this up (although I know why you are) but you just never know what the floor is going to say. |
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Re: What to do when a player goes south?
To: Anyone who thinks its ok to rathole - either NL or Limit
From: Casino Thank you for voiding the jackpot. Please come again. |
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