Floppink zee nutz in zmall potz

jeanbaptiste36 · #1 08-09-2007, 06:51 PM

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Preflop: Hero is BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls, 6 folds, Hero checks.

Flop: (2.40 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero...

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Preflop: Hero is CO with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
3 folds, MP1 calls, 2 folds, Hero raises, 2 folds, BB calls, MP1 calls.

Flop: (6.40 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, MP1 checks, Hero...

MrWookie · #2 08-09-2007, 06:56 PM

Eh, I don't think either of these are great slowplay spot. The 2nd hand often gives villain an excuse to peel, and the first, we have two opponents, and we give away our hand by checking and then raising the turn.

Aaron W. · #3 08-09-2007, 07:30 PM

Bet them both. Hand 1 hits lots of hands that limp and for hand 2, players can often find an excuse to peel on the flop, but not often on the turn.

Buzz-cp · #4 08-09-2007, 07:45 PM

hand 1: I think hand 1 is a standard check/raise? Villain is always betting. It's not a very large pot worth betting out for.

hand 2: is a very standard bet, the pot is now big enough that our bet both protects/disguises/builds pot.

Buzz

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aK13 · #5 08-09-2007, 07:58 PM

Red gives away your bets on both.

Good bets, nhs.

jeanbaptiste36 · #6 08-09-2007, 08:11 PM

can't hide nothing from you people [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

So there's no reason whatsoever to slowplay, not even no. 1. There's only one player there. Is the reasoning that if villain will play on the turn, he probably would have done so on the flop too?

JamesBJames · #7 08-09-2007, 08:19 PM

I'll always bet the first hand, even OOP. If villain is on a flush draw or a straight draw, we don't want him to check behind and have him take a free card.

In the second hand, a bet is needed, since a lot of people will call a multitude of hands on the flop getting 7.4:1 odds.

Aaron W. · #8 08-09-2007, 08:24 PM

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So there's no reason whatsoever to slowplay, not even no. 1. There's only one player there. Is the reasoning that if villain will play on the turn, he probably would have done so on the flop too?

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List the reasons you have for slowplaying. Consider how your check plays against the following situations:

1) Villain has nothing
2) Villain has a medium-strength hand
3) Villain has a strong hand

Point Blank · #9 08-09-2007, 09:54 PM

hand 1 ...

board has hit many hands which will call or even raise you

hand 2 ...

why would you ever not bet this flop (regardless of your cards) given that you raised preflop and you're last to act in a 3way pot [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

jeanbaptiste36 · #10 08-09-2007, 09:56 PM

Since I'm reading TOP right now, I will have to include in the list of reasons:
- don't want villain to correctly fold in this small pot, however I haven't thougth out how that relates to the horror of giving a free card on a coordinated board.

1) He checks it back, and folds on the turn.
2) He bets it and I raise
3) He checks too, and I have cost myself some bets.