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Old 11-15-2007, 08:11 PM
Dialect Dialect is offline
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Default Pair + Flush Draw strong enough to push?

Villain is the reason I'm at this table, running 40/21/2 over 100 hands. No real reads.

Push or what?

Full Tilt Poker, $0.50/$1 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
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BB: $31.20
Hero (UTG): $149.20
CO: $126.30
BTN: $56.65
SB: $145.30

Pre-Flop: 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (UTG)
<font color="red">Hero raises to $3.50</font>, CO folds, BTN calls $3.50, SB calls $3, BB folds

Flop: ($11.50) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 Players)
SB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $8</font>, BTN folds, <font color="red">SB raises to $35.50</font>,
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Old 11-15-2007, 08:30 PM
the machine the machine is offline
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Default Re: Pair + Flush Draw strong enough to push?

is this chelsea? if so id say no.
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Old 11-15-2007, 08:32 PM
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Default Re: Pair + Flush Draw strong enough to push?

id shove, it makes u seem aggro, u have great equity even if u dont have much fold equity, i doubt he is raising this big with a set.
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Old 11-15-2007, 09:33 PM
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Default Re: Pair + Flush Draw strong enough to push?

i would shove here. he will be bluffing alot and you hardly need any FE as you are basically flipping with his calling range
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Old 11-15-2007, 10:05 PM
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Default Re: Pair + Flush Draw strong enough to push?

Depends on you really... how much do you like variance and to gamble? At the minute you have hardly anything invested in the pot so a fold is not out of the question. Normally I would shove as you have decent equity in the hand and decent fold equity. However in this case it's difficult to imagine you have any fold equity given the size of his raise and your flush outs may not even be good, so I would fold this one.
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Old 11-15-2007, 10:15 PM
dirtylobster dirtylobster is offline
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Default Re: Pair + Flush Draw strong enough to push?

For 100bb, sure. 150bb? Hmm. Borderline imo.
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Old 11-15-2007, 10:15 PM
TheGreenMile TheGreenMile is offline
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Default Re: Pair + Flush Draw strong enough to push?

lol i saw an almost identical hand at 1/2 today.. c/raiser was like 36/23/2 and did this with just an open ender against the pfraiser's bottom pair and flush draw.. since i don't think 67, j9, or 79 can be ruled out against this type of player and since we have good equity v everything but a set, i think i get it in here.

oh and do you have any flop check raises on the hands you have on him btw?
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Old 11-16-2007, 12:03 AM
RiverFenix RiverFenix is offline
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Default Re: Pair + Flush Draw strong enough to push?

Never wrong to jam w/ this many outs &amp; fe.
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Old 11-16-2007, 12:22 AM
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Default Re: Pair + Flush Draw strong enough to push?

push...stack sizes are pretty good.
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