Cbet? Turnbet?

[villains_hero]

If anyone wants to argue about cbetting the flop, you're welcome. But I am struggling with the turn in the first place. I see arguments for betting, and i see arguments against it. As a result i dont know what to do. Sorry if this is too basic.

Villain is 50/5/0,9, a bad player but not absolutely terrible. He'll often be too passive, sometimes be out of line with second best hands or bluffy when the pot gets big. But he will not pay off everything every time.

CO is 40/13/1,1, BU is 29/19/2,3, strong player


$15/$30 5-handed

Hero UTG with K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

Hero opens, CO calls, BU calls, SB folds, BB calls.

Flop 8 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 10 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

BB checks, Hero bets, 2 fold, BB calls.

Turn 10 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

BB checks, Hero?

[mtgordon]

Your formatting is driving me insane. For those of us with simple minds please say that villain is BB if you are referring to him as BB everywhere else in the post.

I bet the turn because villain is awful and could have called just because nobody else did and he feels like floating. Check behind on the river.

[Tryptamean]

He's nice enough to give you a free card, now take it

[Flintoff]

Since when is 50/5/0.9 not absolutely terrible?

[Victor]

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I bet the turn because villain is awful and could have called just because nobody else did and he feels like
floating. Check behind on the river.

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if you bet the turn you damn well better bet the river.

[mtgordon]

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I bet the turn because villain is awful and could have called just because nobody else did and he feels like
floating. Check behind on the river.

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if you bet the turn you damn well better bet the river.

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I don't think I agree with this (betting river if called on turn) which makes me sad because I think Victor is much better than me.

My reasoning is that if he calls on the turn he's calling the river as well if he has you beat. I think we can agree that he's not folding an A and certainly not a T. If he's calling the turn with an 8, I don't think he's folding it on the river. He's probably not trying to hit 2 pair since the board is already paired nor do I think he's calling for his 2 outter.

If he misses with any drawing hand we almost certainly have him beat and he's not calling so betting doesn't make sense. The only thing I think we might be able to fold him off of that we don't beat is if he has some draw and he hits a pair on the river. I think that that is so infrequent that betting into his bad A or 8 or pp that he's calling down with is a losing play.

Alright, tell me why I'm wrong.

[Solid_p]

I'd say it's a clear check.

[willwonka]

I'd also like the check and then check/call unimproved. With a 50/5 guy, I think there are too many times he is going to C/R with air or draw to make it worth it to bet out here.. even if a little passive.

[mtgordon]

With that low of an agression factor I'm pretty sure you're toast if you get c/r so you can easily b/f. If you're going to call the river anyway you're putting in 1 more bb on this hand. IMO the turn is definitely the correct place to use this because your opponent is awful. He will float the flop with a lot of hands. Why give him a chance to catch a pair to win?

[villains_hero]

because i have a gutshot...