$25NL : QQ over + OESD

Luckyspikes · #1 11-07-2007, 08:35 PM

Hi 2+2,

I'am not sure that my play was correct at the flop, i would like to have your opinions.

No big infos about vilain, only 14 hands. He seems pretty tight but not sure.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (7 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Hero ($31.65)
MP2 ($13.85)
CO ($12.25)
Button ($5.60)
SB ($15.40)
BB ($17.85)
UTG ($13.20)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
1 fold, Hero raises to $1, 3 folds, SB calls $0.90, 1 fold.

Flop: ($2.25) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $1.75, SB raises to $4, Hero ???

Chargers In 07 · #2 11-07-2007, 08:40 PM

Get all in quickly. He only started with $15 and you have good equity vs. his range.

ship_it_trebek · #3 11-07-2007, 08:44 PM

Shove against that stack size

BadBigBabar · #4 11-07-2007, 08:57 PM

arr in pls

Luckyspikes · #5 11-08-2007, 04:49 AM

Check raise on the flop means much of the time a set.
I think vilain could have a set, two pairs, TPTK.

What about flat call to see what happens on the river ?

eMedia · #6 11-08-2007, 05:17 AM

I'd put him on AJ or J10. .

Sounded Simple · #7 11-08-2007, 07:30 AM

I think spikes is right, your against a decent hand most of the time here.
Strangely your not in as much trouble as you would think against sets/2pr/lower straights (thats the worst case scenario - he has 1 pair or a draw some of the time as well)

I left out AA/KK here since at NL25 3-betting is so standard PF.
I dont hate shoving but I dont feel we have any fold equity against hands that beat us and we have a ton of outs.
Perhaps call and re-evaluate on the turn, if we hit a straight or set then we are a favorite against his range and its safe to assume an unknown NL25 goes broke with 2-pair on any board.

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

51,480 games 0.005 secs 10,296,000 games/sec

Board: Ts Jh 9h
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 42.654% 41.88% 00.77% 21561 397.50 { QdQh }
Hand 1: 57.346% 56.57% 00.77% 29124 397.50 { JJ-99, J9s+, T9s, 87s, J9o+, T9o, 87o }

Luckyspikes · #8 11-08-2007, 06:12 PM

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I think spikes is right, your against a decent hand most of the time here.
Strangely your not in as much trouble as you would think against sets/2pr/lower straights (thats the worst case scenario - he has 1 pair or a draw some of the time as well)

I left out AA/KK here since at NL25 3-betting is so standard PF.
I dont hate shoving but I dont feel we have any fold equity against hands that beat us and we have a ton of outs.
Perhaps call and re-evaluate on the turn, if we hit a straight or set then we are a favorite against his range and its safe to assume an unknown NL25 goes broke with 2-pair on any board.

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

51,480 games 0.005 secs 10,296,000 games/sec

Board: Ts Jh 9h
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 42.654% 41.88% 00.77% 21561 397.50 { QdQh }
Hand 1: 57.346% 56.57% 00.77% 29124 397.50 { JJ-99, J9s+, T9s, 87s, J9o+, T9o, 87o }

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I'am 100% agree with you : we haven't got fold equity versus his range (set or 2P), on the other hand i think we have a lot of outs (any Q, any K any 8) and very good implied.

jcg2005 · #9 11-08-2007, 08:54 PM

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[ QUOTE ]
I think spikes is right, your against a decent hand most of the time here.
Strangely your not in as much trouble as you would think against sets/2pr/lower straights (thats the worst case scenario - he has 1 pair or a draw some of the time as well)

I left out AA/KK here since at NL25 3-betting is so standard PF.
I dont hate shoving but I dont feel we have any fold equity against hands that beat us and we have a ton of outs.
Perhaps call and re-evaluate on the turn, if we hit a straight or set then we are a favorite against his range and its safe to assume an unknown NL25 goes broke with 2-pair on any board.

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

51,480 games 0.005 secs 10,296,000 games/sec

Board: Ts Jh 9h
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 42.654% 41.88% 00.77% 21561 397.50 { QdQh }
Hand 1: 57.346% 56.57% 00.77% 29124 397.50 { JJ-99, J9s+, T9s, 87s, J9o+, T9o, 87o }

[/ QUOTE ]

I'am 100% agree with you : we haven't got fold equity versus his range (set or 2P), on the other hand i think we have a lot of outs (any Q, any K any 8) and very good implied.

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He has 10$ left, "very good implied"?

RapidEvolution · #10 11-08-2007, 09:33 PM

If you call here, he's shoving turn 99% of the time ). I also this his range includes 88/AQ/AhJh and possibly AhKh (not to mention that he could be some random with 2 hearts here). Shove flop please. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]