Absolute Poker Scandal: An Inside Job

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I think this pretty much shows that when that dude claimed mark seif could see his hole cards he wasn't lying and that has been my gut feeling all alone. Seif is apparently Scott Tom's boy.


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theres no evidence at all with anything involving mark seif, just one guy who was getting his ass kicked in one HU session.


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He wasn't lying in that post. He was genuinely shocked and confused at how mark seif could open fold to him in a capped pot pre when he flopped a full house. Sure it is one story but he wasn't lying. That is what happened from that guys perspective and the timeline is very convenient. Mark Seif obviously has a very close personal relationship with potripper and co.


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1 hand isn't evidence sir

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In context, it can be. Consider the following assumptions:

1: Mark Seif is a professional poker player.
2: Mark Seif's friend and co-founder of AP is known to have access to a super-user account that can see all hole cards.
3: Mark Seif is playing a high stakes heads-up limit match, and open-folds the flop in a preflop capped hand when his opponent flopped a boat (details please).

Open folding like this in a random pro match might happen 1/100 times at most. In a match where the folder is exploiting a super user we would expect it to happen very often when the opponent flops a strong hand.

Given what we know, what is the most likely cause of the open fold?

I would say even this one piece of anectdotal evidence given the circumstances is about as strong as a polygraph. Not strong enough to convict - but should raise an extremely high level of suspicion.

[SukitTrebek]

so, graycat was blinded off in the 1k, potentially because of the success of potripper.

#363 didn't join potripper for first 2 1/2 minutes. unlikely, but did any players (other potential horses) bust in the first two minutes?

[aaronbeen]

Even the idea of appearing to lose money to cover up seems a bit beyond these guys plus if they did have that idea they would have gotten it from the forums so they might realize that calling rivers with three high and stuff is what got them into trouble in the first place. I think the theory that this chip dumped served any purpose other than they actually needed to move the money from one account to another is a theory that requires Scott and co to have a pretty exact level of stupidity and a pretty specific set of fallacies.

[Tropical_Fish]

"$ PureMoney $"

http://www.myspace.com/puremoney7

[Dids]

While the posts and spam we've seen from the owner don't reflect well on his judgement or concern for his reputation. It seems much more likely that this is a friend or something that the owner himself.

I think the important thing is that while you can't pin this to a specific person, it seems reasonable that it came from inside AP in some fashion. AP should at least be aware that it was gong on, and is flat lying in their public statements.

[Tropical_Fish]

Brother Phil

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm...endid=63122490

[ChoicestHops]

Adanthar just owned Scott at Casinomeister. AP's Scott is at that site trying to use damage control saying that a superuser account is absurd. But it could be a group of buddies or World War III or some other [censored] he said.

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You know what, I'm not done with you yet, Scott.

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If you're not Scott, it might be best to find a new network to post from.


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[0evg0]

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"$ PureMoney $"

http://www.myspace.com/puremoney7

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Male
34 years old
CANTON, MICHIGAN
United States



Last Login: 12/28/2006

meh?

edit: nvm, it's definitely him with both Myspace sites having matching Canton locations

[ikestoys]

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I think this pretty much shows that when that dude claimed mark seif could see his hole cards he wasn't lying and that has been my gut feeling all alone. Seif is apparently Scott Tom's boy.


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theres no evidence at all with anything involving mark seif, just one guy who was getting his ass kicked in one HU session.


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He wasn't lying in that post. He was genuinely shocked and confused at how mark seif could open fold to him in a capped pot pre when he flopped a full house. Sure it is one story but he wasn't lying. That is what happened from that guys perspective and the timeline is very convenient. Mark Seif obviously has a very close personal relationship with potripper and co.


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1 hand isn't evidence sir

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In context, it can be. Consider the following assumptions:

1: Mark Seif is a professional poker player.
2: Mark Seif's friend and co-founder of AP is known to have access to a super-user account that can see all hole cards.
3: Mark Seif is playing a high stakes heads-up limit match, and open-folds the flop in a preflop capped hand when his opponent flopped a boat (details please).

Open folding like this in a random pro match might happen 1/100 times at most. In a match where the folder is exploiting a super user we would expect it to happen very often when the opponent flops a strong hand.

Given what we know, what is the most likely cause of the open fold?

I would say even this one piece of anectdotal evidence given the circumstances is about as strong as a polygraph. Not strong enough to convict - but should raise an extremely high level of suspicion.

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I'm sorry, but your reasoning here is 100% FOS

Mark Seif open folded, it happens, it's happened to me when I've had a good hand and a bad hand. Seif lost money in these games, seems weird he'd do that if he was a superuser...

Lets not get all dilute the importance of this thread with half-assed speculation

[ikestoys]

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"$ PureMoney $"

http://www.myspace.com/puremoney7

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34 years old
CANTON, MICHIGAN
United States



Last Login: 12/28/2006

meh?

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I can hit a pitching wedge into canton MI btw...