I turn a double gutter vs a fish, bluff raise?

[deaders]

Sorry no hh to convert from, im sick in bed, using the laptop. This hand happened earlier today and I was just thinking about it so Ill post it from memory.

Villain is fishy and weird, goes from usual passive station to crazy spewy - earlier in this session he minraised a tag with KQ on a T high flop, no draw, and called a shove with about a 65bb stack. Ive been fairly tight and solid on this table and he hasnt done anything crazy in pots with me so far.

$250 effective stacks.



I open 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] in CO $7. Folds to villain (BB) who minraises to $12. I call.

Flop ($24) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

BB bets $10, I call.

Turn ($44) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

BB bets $12, I...



I called the flop bc hey we have a gutshot and bd hearts, intending to float because it was a weird small bet. So on the turn do I take the sweet odds that he is giving me or do I raise that [censored] up? I havent seen his min3betting range at showdown but hes been doing it often enough that I can reasonably expect his range is a little wider than premium hands.

[thac]

You're getting odds with a disguised hand against a fish that probably won't fold to your raise (also won't fold to your river bet/raise). Call here, overbet the pot if you hit.

[deaders]

hm, i thought this was more interesting.

[Keyser.]

yeah, just call. I don't really like to semi-bluff these type of players b/c they never fold, and when you hit you can get paid off generally.

[Daddy Warbucks]

That's a scared bet, i raise this all day and twice on sundays. And i'm not being macho, this exact scenario comes up quite frequently and i take advantage of it quite often. If you raise to 38 i expect him to fold quite often.

[terp]

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yeah, just call. I don't really like to semi-bluff these type of players b/c they never fold, and when you hit you can get paid off generally.

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[rberg]

grunch

i just call and bluff blanks if villian checks river

[deaders]

If he is going to fold to a river bluff then hes probably going to fold to a turn one. I think its either just call now and give up on the river or take a shot at it now. It does look like a scared bet, but the others could be right - they just dont fold very often even if it is a scared bet.

[early325]

i raise here..if he calls turn then he definitely calls river 4/8 (hopefully he doesn't have JT) .. his range is pretty big here imo, i think he folds a good amount of it

[lowpockets]

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That's a scared bet, i raise this all day and twice on sundays. And i'm not being macho, this exact scenario comes up quite frequently and i take advantage of it quite often. If you raise to 38 i expect him to fold quite often.

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This seems like the best advice to me. I think you have a ton more fold equity here than what some are saying. You are deep enough for this to work, imo.