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Old 07-29-2007, 11:53 PM
Miyogi Miyogi is offline
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Default 50NL People like to 3bet me a lot

So, one of my (many) leaks is that I don't really know how to play in 3bet pots when I don't have a monster. Any advice on any of these hands is appreciated (FWIW they all happened during my session about an hour ago).

Villian is unknown and this is like the second orbit at the table.

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.25/$0.50 Blinds - 5 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $38.30
BB: $55.05
Miyogi (UTG): $54.15
CO: $88.50
BTN: $49.05

Preflop: Miyogi is dealt J J (5 Players)
<font color="red">Miyogi raises to $2.00</font>, CO folds, <font color="red">BTN raises to $6.75</font>, 2 folds, Miyogi calls $4.75

Flop: ($14.25) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3 6 (2 Players)
Miyogi checks, <font color="red">BTN bets $10.00</font>, Miyogi folds
Uncalled bet of $10.00 returned to BTN

Pot Size: $14.25 ($0.70 Rake)

Villian who 4bet me is unknown villian who cold called the initial PFR is a big fish whom I would have loved to isolate against.

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.25/$0.50 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $49.50
BB: $239.90
UTG: $45.30
MP: $119.60
Miyogi (CO): $64.10
BTN: $51.00

Preflop: Miyogi is dealt J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J (6 Players)
<font color="red">UTG raises to $2.00</font>, MP calls $2.00, <font color="red">Miyogi raises to $8.50</font>, 3 folds, <font color="red">UTG raises to $21.50</font>, 2 folds
Uncalled bet of $13.00 returned to UTG

Pot Size: $19.75

Villian in this hand is a 30/27/6

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.25/$0.50 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $50.25
BB: $24.85
UTG: $38.85
MP: $52.75
Miyogi (CO): $76.70
BTN: $77.75

Preflop: Miyogi is dealt T T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (6 Players)
UTG calls $0.50, MP folds, <font color="red">Miyogi raises to $2.50</font>, BTN folds, <font color="red">SB raises to $8.50</font>, 3 folds
Uncalled bet of $6.00 returned to SB

Pot Size: $6.00

Villian in this hand is 20/15/1.9. Mostly do any of you just call and try to get it in here on the flop (I just watch a CR video where the guy said that was a great play with AA and was wondering if it applied).

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.25/$0.50 Blinds - 5 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $48.30
BB: $49.25
UTG: $61.90
CO: $47.20
Miyogi (BTN): $50.65

Preflop: Miyogi is dealt K K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (5 Players)
2 folds, <font color="red">Miyogi raises to $2.00</font>, SB folds, <font color="red">BB raises to $6.25</font>, <font color="red">Miyogi raises to $19.00</font>
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Old 07-30-2007, 12:01 AM
ICMoney ICMoney is offline
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Default Re: 50NL People like to 3bet me a lot

Hand one looks really weak to me. Are you playing JJ oop to a 3b for set value?

I would at least see a turn.


Raise size is good in hand two. I like a fold there as well.


Hand 3: That is a really large 3b. Not really sure what to think about it. AA is a lot easier to felt on any flop than TT; don't that that video applies here. You don't have odds for anything. Fold (I guess).

I might just call and take a flop in hand 4. Raise his cb on any non-ace flop?
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Old 07-30-2007, 12:07 AM
Tiltmobile Tiltmobile is offline
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Default Re: 50NL People like to 3bet me a lot

I also have trouble in these spots. I can't figure out what kind of flop I'd like to see with my hand (JJ/1010)if I just call a 3bet.
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Old 07-30-2007, 12:48 AM
corsakh corsakh is offline
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Default Re: 50NL People like to 3bet me a lot

Hand 1 sometimes you can 4bet preflop.

All good. Whats the problem?
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Old 07-30-2007, 01:53 AM
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Default Re: 50NL People like to 3bet me a lot

For the most part I like all four hands. On the third hand what is your image at the table?

I don't like flat calling with kings preflop, since if an ace flops I don't really have a cheap way of determining if that ace helped them.
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Old 07-30-2007, 02:14 AM
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Default Re: 50NL People like to 3bet me a lot

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Hand one looks really weak to me. Are you playing JJ oop to a 3b for set value?

I would at least see a turn.


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And then do what on the turn and river, assuming we don't spike a set? I don't think we can call and then cross our fingers and hope villain checks behind twice.
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Old 07-30-2007, 02:19 AM
Miyogi Miyogi is offline
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Default Re: 50NL People like to 3bet me a lot

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Hand one looks really weak to me. Are you playing JJ oop to a 3b for set value?

I would at least see a turn.


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And then do what on the turn and river, assuming we don't spike a set? I don't think we can call and then cross our fingers and hope villain checks behind twice.

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Yeah I think flat calling here and hoping for checks isn't giong to work. I play JJ agaisnt a 3 bet for set and overpair value. I figure AK is numerically the hand I'll be up against most often so a K is not a good card.
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Old 07-30-2007, 04:00 AM
drsmooth drsmooth is offline
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Default Re: 50NL People like to 3bet me a lot

All looks good to me but I play 1010-QQ pretty weak too. If I'm LP and there is a raise and re-raise before me I lay down pretty easy if villains have TAG stats, is that a leak?

Hand 3 villain looks really LAG (30/27/6), is a shove ever good here?
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Old 07-30-2007, 07:08 AM
QuietEarner QuietEarner is offline
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Default Re: 50NL People like to 3bet me a lot

All look good.

Hand 3 I might call since we have position, and villain's stats are overly aggressive. May be tempted to open shove or 4 bet him every once in a while, just cause I like variance.
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Old 07-30-2007, 07:23 AM
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Default Re: 50NL People like to 3bet me a lot

they´re all fine.
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