Push flop or push turn?

[Peter Harris]

e-z flop puuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuush

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I'm not saying that calling this flop isn't +EV. I'm quite sure it is. It just isn't as profitable as pushing. And it isn't close unless he's dumb as a box of turnips.



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If he's as dumb as a box of turnips, you don't have very much fold equity against him either, as he won't lay down a pair.

Pushing combo draws is better the more fold equity you have, because the best case scenario is that your opponent folds. I suspect that against a lot of villains at this level it would be better to call for implied odds with tons of outs than go for a flip against top pair.

That said, I would probably push here because the size of the pot cuts down your implied odds and makes it quite feasible to get all the money in. I just don't think it's as simple as you suggest, and I think you're wrong if you think that we've got a small % 'edge' in terms of hand value here that we have to maximize by pushing. Sorry if I misunderstood your pst though.

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Exactly what i was thinking.

This bet screams TP and at this level i don't think he's folding. even so;

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

31,680 games 0.047 secs 674,042 games/sec

Board: Td Qs 6d
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 49.658% 49.27% 00.38% 15610 121.50 { AdJd }
Hand 1: 50.342% 49.96% 00.38% 15827 121.50 { AQs, KQs, QTs+, AQo, KQo, QJo }

[MaltbyStu]

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what range do you have him on?

Edit: I'm not putting him on an exact hand, I'm just saying I don't think we're necessarily a favourite against the kind of hands he might have

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I need to clarify that my range was assigned PF and not post.
Post flop I think his bet means TP or better and with my reassigned range we are at best a flip.
Like I said in an earlier post I have been struggling with these situations for a while.

I think we've established that at these levels people will not lay down TP, so, why are we keen to take a flip for stacks?

Pete, you say easy push. Can you detail why?

Stu

[bozzer]

flipping + unknown amount of FE is fine.