JJ on the button after UTG raise and UTG+1 shove $75

[benza13]

Full Tilt $75 25k guarantee, no reads as both players are relatively new to the table (<20 hands).

Full Tilt Poker Game #3234719337: $25,000 Guarantee (24180877), Table 16 - 150/300 Ante 25 - No Limit Hold'em - 20:52:59 ET - 2007/08/12
Seat 1: fjtfro (8,215)
Seat 2: diggdodger (10,180)
Seat 3: shipitonetime (4,145)
Seat 4: cash4fun (14,063)
Seat 5: FoldOrTilt (9,040)
Seat 6: PsycoChick (9,962)
Seat 7: tcarinhato (24,880)
Seat 8: ChipnaChrrrr (14,359)
Seat 9: Tmay420 (4,055)
fjtfro antes 25
diggdodger antes 25
shipitonetime antes 25
cash4fun antes 25
FoldOrTilt antes 25
PsycoChick antes 25
tcarinhato antes 25
ChipnaChrrrr antes 25
Tmay420 antes 25
Tmay420 posts the small blind of 150
fjtfro posts the big blind of 300
The button is in seat #8
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to ChipnaChrrrr [Jd Js]
diggdodger has 15 seconds left to act
diggdodger raises to 775
shipitonetime raises to 4,120, and is all in
cash4fun folds
FoldOrTilt folds
PsycoChick folds
tcarinhato folds
ChipnaChrrrr has 15 seconds left to act

[KneeCo]

I'd love some reads here.

As if I fold, you're about a flip with UTG+1's range, which I'd love to take of course, except UTG is more of a threat here than dead money.

If you have a read that UTG opens light, I can shove.

[BarryLyndon]

I think calling here is OK. But I'm not that sure. Pushing seems to risky and folding is entirely too weak given the circumstances.

Call > push > fold. But I could be wrong, this is a weak spot of mine.

Barry

[Micro Donk]

[ QUOTE ]
I think calling here is OK. But I'm not that sure. Pushing seems to risky and folding is entirely too weak given the circumstances.

Call > push > fold. But I could be wrong, this is a weak spot of mine.

Barry

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if he does choose to call, i dont see how we could fold for only 6k more...or are you counting on him just calling?

[benza13]

[ QUOTE ]
I think calling here is OK. But I'm not that sure. Pushing seems to risky and folding is entirely too weak given the circumstances.

Call > push > fold. But I could be wrong, this is a weak spot of mine.

Barry

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I don't think calling is an option, what do you do if UTG overpushes, if he flat calls and leads an A or K hi flop. IMO its either push/fold.

I'd love to have reads here too, but really neither of them had done anything noteworthy in the short time I was seated with them.

[axl2rose]

I dont play at this level but if I was in you I elected to fold! I dont think it was time to race!

[Tackleberry]

I only see the options to push or fold as well. Why seems "pushing too risky"? If we just call and OR pushes I see no way to get out of this hand any more, getting more than 2:1 ... so we can just push immediately.

But as KneeCo said, without reads on UTG I would just let this one go ... you have a healthy stack and can wait for some better spot.

[MJBuddy]

I think I'm throwing this away. I like a jam to iso here against weaker ranges, but unless you have a read on light UTG raises (very possible), go for it.

[levAA]

I'd push here - you have FE against the OR and should within villain2's range, with some dead money in the pot.
this looks like a +EV play for me.

[MJBuddy]

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I'd push here - you have FE against the OR and should within villain2's range, with some dead money in the pot.
this looks like a +EV play for me.

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I don't have pokerstove on me to run the ranges, but this an UTG Raise readless and an UTG+1 Jam readless.

Yeah you'll make a lot of hands fold if you jam here, but more hands in this range are calling and not being HU here is -EV.