Turned nuts - C/C on river best option?

erocplayer · #1 11-21-2007, 01:52 AM

$4.40/180
Villian in BB has repeatedly shown to be very loose (called one 24xBB All-in w/ J5o)
Button also has been loose, but not as much so as the BB.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (9 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Button (t4037)
Hero (t2378)
BB (t5659)
UTG (t3250)
UTG+1 (t1240)
MP1 (t1570)
MP2 (t1315)
MP3 (t2880)
CO (t1156)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
3 folds, MP2 calls t100, 2 folds, Button calls t100, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t400) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, MP2 checks, Button checks.

Turn: (t400) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero bets t400 (IS THIS GOOD SIZE?) , BB calls t400, MP2 folds, Button calls t400.

River: (t1600) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero check/calls?

early325 · #2 11-21-2007, 01:54 AM

fold pf

shove river

erocplayer · #3 11-21-2007, 02:07 AM

pf isn't in question, and i can't even tell if that's serious advice or not

early325 · #4 11-21-2007, 02:44 AM

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pf isn't in question, and i can't even tell if that's serious advice or not

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i think 89o w/ 24BBs OOP is -EV to play, so i'm giving you that advice

lol, shove > c/c > c/f imo .. i guess you can give me reasons why you think i'd be joking though and i'd do my best to explain it to you

erocplayer · #5 11-21-2007, 03:09 AM

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pf isn't in question, and i can't even tell if that's serious advice or not

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i think 89o w/ 24BBs OOP is -EV to play, so i'm giving you that advice

lol, shove > c/c > c/f imo .. i guess you can give me reasons why you think i'd be joking though and i'd do my best to explain it to you

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it's not b/c your advice was so ridiculous i thought you were joking, its just that when ppl DO joke on these forums they say just what you said. and you didnt give an explanation so i wasn't sure. lol

erocplayer · #6 11-21-2007, 03:12 AM

btw, i know that completing bets is not smart, but my logic (possibly flawed) was that loose players will pay off more than others if i could make a good hand, thus increasing my implied odds.

that used to be a huge leak of mine, now it's more under ocntrol although i still make justifications (like the one above) to do it sometimes

hagbard celine · #7 11-21-2007, 03:29 AM

I'm a little curious why Early thinks that shoving the river is the best line.

early325 · #8 11-21-2007, 03:41 AM

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I'm a little curious why Early thinks that shoving the river is the best line.

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because i think it's way more likely for someone to call a shove with a worse hand than it is for someone to bet it..since we're not going to c/f, i think the range of hands that villains will bet the river with is made up primarily of flushes, while they'll check a hand like QJ or KJ behind a pretty significant amount of time

the only hand that i could see bluffing the river here is QK, but i think they'll be pretty timid to bluff this river,

a lot of villains will call a shove here with a Jack, and none of them are gonna fold 2pr+ -- although they might not always bet 2pr+

hagbard celine · #9 11-21-2007, 02:45 AM

I think he's serious. A leak of a lot of players is completing from the SB/calling raises from the BB because of the discount. You end up in a pretty big pot OOP. However, that's not your question.

With two people calling your pot on the turn--I would bet less, but not much less, like 300-350--I think that planning to c/c is prudent. You could also b/f.

ZBTHorton · #10 11-21-2007, 02:57 AM

Fold PF.