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#11
11-13-2007, 07:10 PM
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Re: squeeze gone bad? 200nl
generally, when 100BB's deep, when guys bluff in 3bet pots they shove. they dont put in half their stack planning to fold. especailly on a super dry board.
folding this flop is super standard 
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#12
11-13-2007, 07:10 PM
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Re: squeeze gone bad? 200nl
I didnt put him on a hand to be honest. I remember thinking: "bs - this guy doesnt have a big pair - he would of rr with the sb in the hand (who was very loose) - plus I'm getting almost 2 to 1 with $200 already in the pot" - I then shoved.
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#13
11-13-2007, 07:16 PM
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Re: squeeze gone bad? 200nl
What about bigger Tens?
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#14
11-13-2007, 07:22 PM
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Re: squeeze gone bad? 200nl
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[ QUOTE ] Do you c-bet this flop. I dont really like it. [/ QUOTE ] c-bet is fine - you'll fold out most of the overcards that would have called the preflop 3-bet. [/ QUOTE ] Explain to me why this is good.
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#15
11-13-2007, 07:22 PM
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Re: squeeze gone bad? 200nl
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What about bigger Tens? [/ QUOTE ] yes could have had bigger tens. the mistake I made was putting him on hands "he couldnt have" instead of what he could have. "he couldnt have AA,KK, he couldnt have QT, etc".
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#16
11-13-2007, 07:37 PM
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Re: squeeze gone bad? 200nl
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Do you c-bet this flop. I dont really like it. [/ QUOTE ] c-bet is fine - you'll fold out most of the overcards that would have called the preflop 3-bet. [/ QUOTE ] Explain to me why this is good. [/ QUOTE ] You have a vulnerable top pair-no kicker in a 3-bet pot that you wouldn't mind taking down now. - You check the flop, he checks behind, and an A/K/Q/J hits the turn - now what? - You check the flop, so he puts you on a big Ace that missed and fires a PSB with his medium PP - do you call with your TPNK? If you occasionally check (with the intention of check-raising) your monster hands in this situation (OOP in a 3-bet pot), then I could see checking here. Personally, I usually c-bet here, but I'm open to arguments for different lines - I'm not trying to say that a c-bet is always the best play.
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#17
11-13-2007, 07:40 PM
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Re: squeeze gone bad? 200nl
op, all the replies here are useless (the ones about calling the push anyway). No offense to any of them obv, I haven't even read them. However, we need a lot more info to answer this correctly.
in a vacuum i'd say fold.
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#18
11-13-2007, 07:43 PM
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Re: squeeze gone bad? 200nl
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Do you c-bet this flop. I dont really like it. [/ QUOTE ] c-bet is fine - you'll fold out most of the overcards that would have called the preflop 3-bet. [/ QUOTE ] Explain to me why this is good. [/ QUOTE ] You have a vulnerable top pair-no kicker in a 3-bet pot that you wouldn't mind taking down now. - You check the flop, he checks behind, and an A/K/Q/J hits the turn - now what? - You check the flop, so he puts you on a big Ace that missed and fires a PSB with his medium PP - do you call with your TPNK? If you occasionally check (with the intention of check-raising) your monster hands in this situation (OOP in a 3-bet pot), then I could see checking here. Personally, I usually c-bet here, but I'm open to arguments for different lines - I'm not trying to say that a c-bet is always the best play. [/ QUOTE ] You are making the age-old and somewhat tired argument that playing a hand the EASIEST way is the same as playing a hand the most PROFITABLE way. And the answers to all your questions are, it depends. But if I bet the flop here, it's probably because I assume that his calling/raising range is pretty damn wide. It's not to fold out overcards.
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#19
11-13-2007, 07:53 PM
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Re: squeeze gone bad? 200nl
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Do you c-bet this flop. I dont really like it. [/ QUOTE ] c-bet is fine - you'll fold out most of the overcards that would have called the preflop 3-bet. [/ QUOTE ] Explain to me why this is good. [/ QUOTE ] they have ~27% equity against you
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#20
11-13-2007, 07:53 PM
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Re: squeeze gone bad? 200nl
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Do you c-bet this flop. I dont really like it. [/ QUOTE ] c-bet is fine - you'll fold out most of the overcards that would have called the preflop 3-bet. [/ QUOTE ] Explain to me why this is good. [/ QUOTE ] You have a vulnerable top pair-no kicker in a 3-bet pot that you wouldn't mind taking down now. - You check the flop, he checks behind, and an A/K/Q/J hits the turn - now what? - You check the flop, so he puts you on a big Ace that missed and fires a PSB with his medium PP - do you call with your TPNK? If you occasionally check (with the intention of check-raising) your monster hands in this situation (OOP in a 3-bet pot), then I could see checking here. Personally, I usually c-bet here, but I'm open to arguments for different lines - I'm not trying to say that a c-bet is always the best play. [/ QUOTE ] You are making the age-old and somewhat tired argument that playing a hand the EASIEST way is the same as playing a hand the most PROFITABLE way. And the answers to all your questions are, it depends. But if I bet the flop here, it's probably because I assume that his calling/raising range is pretty damn wide. It's not to fold out overcards. [/ QUOTE ] Bilbo, Using this logic for betting flop, it would seem that folding to his raise is a mistake then no?
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