Hand from the Borgata Open main event

Avivs · #1 09-19-2006, 10:14 AM

This hand is from the $10,000 buy-in main event at the Borgata.
Level 4 - Blinds are 100-200 with 25 ante.
Villain - UTG t15500
Hero - MP2 t24000 with [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]10 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]10
Pre Flop (pot t550) - UTG limp t200, MP2 (Hero) raise to t1200, CO calls t1200, UTG calls t1000
Flop (pot t4150) [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]10 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]5 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]4 - UTG bet t4000, MP2 (Hero) calls t4000, CO folds
Turn (pot t12150) [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]J - UTG moves all in for t10300, MP2 (Hero)??
Villain is a tough lesser known pro who has been making good living from poker for the past 20+ years.
I would appreciate any comments on the play so far and also any thoughts about what you think Hero should do now.

Supwithbates · #2 09-19-2006, 10:27 AM

raise the flop to 8-10k
with straight and flush opportunities, there's a good chance he'll 3-bet and you can get it in as a favorite (he's not laying down 2 suited overs here).
As played, you have outs if he has the flush, and he plays 55 or 44 the same way. I don't think he has JJ almost ever. Easy call.

SilverLining1 · #3 09-19-2006, 10:43 AM

Raise a little less preflop, though that's really just a matter of styles. I don't like playing too big a pot against a UTG limper from EP with 1010.

Push the flop. There is no reason not too. He's committed if he has AdKd or if he limped with KK or AA. QQ or JJ is very very very very odd here. Finally, a lesser consideration, there is a diamond draw out there.

registrar · #4 09-19-2006, 11:01 AM

As a matter of interest, why is JJ so unlikely?

Initially, I liked the flat call with the nuts but given the PSB for 1/3 of his stack, villain's not folding and odds-driven calls from draws behind are not really what you want, so push.

As played, call the turn push.

NYWalker · #5 09-19-2006, 11:03 AM

On the flop, UTG bet 4000 and had 10200 behind.

Pot was 550+1200+1200+1200+4000=8150.
I would raise to 14000 put UTG all-in on the flop instead of a call.
Most likely, CO would be gone. If UTG is on the draw, the odd isn't correct for him to call. Most important, force him to gamble all his chips for the draw.

(It would be more interesting if you post the hand only to the flop after UTG bet 4000.)

SilverLining1 · #6 09-19-2006, 11:12 AM

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As a matter of interest, why is JJ so unlikely?

Initially, I liked the flat call with the nuts but given the PSB for 1/3 of his stack, villain's not folding and odds-driven calls from draws behind are not really what you want, so push.

As played, call the turn push.

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Well - maybe JJ isn't as unlikely as I gave it credit for. But if I were sitting in a tourney and I had to put this person on a hand range, JJ would be at the bottom of that range. AdKd, AdQd, AA, a lower pocket pair, or the occassional KK all surpass JJ here. Why? I guess just common knowledge - limping in with JJ UTG is usually a very bad play; it's a play that I hardly ever see, even amongst the biggest donks (who usually limp in with AA or limp call big raises with KQo instead).

And in making a decision on what to do, I wouldn't factor JJ too much into it.

As played, you call on the turn, btw.

Notfunny1 · #7 09-19-2006, 11:12 AM

6xBB Preflop tends to make you a little too attached to your hand. What is he limp-calling this with? I'd say JJ is a likely suspect as is KdKx or QdQx or AdKd. (For what it's worth, my money's on KdKx.) I think I raise flop all-in since villain is pot committed, and I'd like to get it all in while I know I'm ahead. I hate being the caller here.
As played, call turn push....dodge bullet.

edited because I changed my mind.

JoseGonzlez · #8 09-19-2006, 11:26 AM

there are a couple of hands that could beat you.

But you are ahead of most of the hands he would play this way. so you gots to call. thats the bottom line.

stoxtrader · #9 09-19-2006, 11:28 AM

I definitely push the flop here. the stack sizes and prior action are just about perfect for it.

Supwithbates · #10 09-19-2006, 01:34 PM

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As a matter of interest, why is JJ so unlikely?

Initially, I liked the flat call with the nuts but given the PSB for 1/3 of his stack, villain's not folding and odds-driven calls from draws behind are not really what you want, so push.

As played, call the turn push.

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Limp/calling is a strange way to play JJ
But I'm awful at reading donkey logic so who knows