NL25 - giving AA too much credit??

nuggzfan · #1 06-09-2007, 08:53 PM

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Button ($10.30)
SB ($49.58)
Hero ($55.40)
UTG ($30.86)
MP ($10.55)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls $0.25, MP calls $0.25, 1 fold, SB completes, Hero raises to $1.5, UTG calls $1.25, MP calls $1.25, SB folds.

Flop: ($4.75) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets $4.25, UTG folds, MP raises to $8.5, Hero raises to $53.9 (All-In), MP calls $0.55 (All-In).

Turn: ($67.70) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players, 2 all-in)

River: ($67.70) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: $67.70

didn't have much of a read on villain. but he kinda seemed to call or open bet a reasonable amount with like middle or second pair. didn't see him raise much but i figured he would min-raise here with a king and good kicker, like AK, KQ, or KJ. should i think about folding after he min-raises??

wikemang · #2 06-09-2007, 08:54 PM

Given villain's stack size, I am NEVER folding on this board.

danny8 · #3 06-09-2007, 08:56 PM

folding here would be terrible, you played it fine - nh.

he can have [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img][img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], any pair, complete air as well as all the stuff that beats you. But you are def ahead of his range to be ai on the flop

wikemang · #4 06-09-2007, 08:57 PM

I believe shortstacking villain's are doing this with any king, flush draw, or straight draw. Since he has $.55 behind after his minraise, you are essentially calling $4.25 to win $17. Thus you cannot fold.

renotime · #5 06-09-2007, 09:14 PM

perfect board and therefore a perfect spot to get your money in

Bantam222 · #6 06-09-2007, 09:34 PM

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Given villain's stack size, I am NEVER folding on this board.

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TIGERsrm · #7 06-09-2007, 09:52 PM

WTF? It costs $5 to see a showdown and you have AA in this spot, I can't believe you would even CONSIDER a fold here.
Even if he has 2pair your getting odds to call.

nuggzfan · #8 06-09-2007, 10:04 PM

well he ended up having KT and hitting the boat on the river, and this was the second time in about 30 mins that i lost with AA while having the other player all-in, so i just started thinking that maybe i was overplaying my aces.

here is the other AA hand i lost... (including results for humor)

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Hero ($41.52)
SB ($15.94)
BB ($28.66)
UTG ($42.68)
MP ($13.25)
CO ($13.30)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
1 fold, MP calls $0.25, 1 fold, Hero raises to $1.25, 2 folds, MP calls $1.

Flop: ($2.85) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $2, MP calls $2.

Turn: ($6.85) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $5.25, MP calls $5.25.

River: ($17.35) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $6.25, MP calls $4.75 (All-In).

Final Pot: $28.35

Results in white below: 
Hero has As Ac (two pair, aces and kings).
MP has 7d 5c (straight, nine high).
Outcome: MP wins $26.85. Hero wins $1.50. 
yay river 8

i had a note on this player that he was basically very fish and i could expect him to call down with middle to bottom pair. i think i would have played this hand exactly the same every time and if he raises the turn its prolly an easy fold right??

T3rminator4 · #9 06-09-2007, 10:21 PM

i almost never fold aa

gedanken · #10 06-09-2007, 10:25 PM

wow. I guess this is one of those things that's easier to see when you're not the one in the hand.

With any perspective, though, it's obvious that you have a FANTASTIC opponent. One that will call flop and turn bets of 2/3pot+ with a gutshot, hooray! Smile. Value bet.