changed my mind 5/10

[JKratzer]

was gonna give up, but figure he can't call now, right? villian is 21/17 tag w/o much history (he probably views me as tag although i have been fairly active lately).

Full Tilt Poker, $5/$10 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

BB: $1,354
UTG: $765.50
MP: $866
CO: $1,202
Hero (BTN): $1,035
SB: $1,132

Pre-Flop: 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BTN)
2 folds, <font color="red">CO raises to $35</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $120</font>, 2 folds, CO calls $85

Flop: ($255) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
CO checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $200</font>, CO calls $200

Turn: ($655) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
CO checks, Hero checks

River: ($655) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
CO checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $715 and is All-In</font>

[jlocdog]

Wouldn't CO fold a pair more often on 4th street then 5th given the way the hand played out? Maybe if you were a bit deeper and put in a bet on the turn then your 3 barrel most likely won't get looked up light.

Let me ask you something...If you held AT/JJ are you betting the turn? If not are you calling a river shove?

The point of my ramble is that if there is a possibility that we are going to bluff shove this river, wouldn't we rather semi bluff shove the turn given our equity and general strength in line (which in turn creates additional equity in FE)?

[dchz]

why not put it in on 4th instead of 5th?

are you leveling or something?

[jfish]

if your image was good i would like it. when your image starts to turn bad these spots just become really really difficult to bluff.

[jfish]

i would also shove turn 100% i think.

[Pasterbator]

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i would also shove turn 100% i think.

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i think shoving the turn looks waaay more bluffy (big heart type hand) than shoving the river.

[jlocdog]

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why not put it in on 4th instead of 5th?

are you leveling or something?

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Are you asking if I am leveling or agreeing with me and asking if OP is leveling?

Either way, I don't think anyone in this thread is leveling anything. Contribute or stay on the sidelines.

[dchz]

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why not put it in on 4th instead of 5th?

are you leveling or something?

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Are you asking if I am leveling or agreeing with me and asking if OP is leveling?

Either way, I don't think anyone in this thread is leveling anything. Contribute or stay on the sidelines.

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this isn't BBV, not everyone who uses the word level is trolling threads, stop being a douche bag and actually think about what i said:

I am asking OP whether he is trying to level the villain in the hand

OP might be trying to make villain believe he has a huge pair and is afraid of the flush on the turn, or make villain think that OP is checking behind a flush on the turn for deception. This is a level because in either case OP is thinking on the 2nd level and villian is on the 1st level usually in a 3 bet pot (hence the level) but i don't think this level works well, which is why i vote for shoving the turn instead

contributed enough?

[Animus]

This hand is just awful. You are repping like naked Qh or Kh. If he has half a brain he will snap you off. You probably shouldn't be 3betting a8o if you are going to be playing it like THAT.

[Speedlimits]

bet turn