Chasing a draw early on

pennypacker · #1 10-22-2007, 11:35 AM

Would love to get some thoughts on the following play. "Deep-stack" tournament at a local casino. At the second level, blinds are 50-100. I have about what I started with (8000). I have been involved in a few pots and have made several lay-downs. Not sure of my image although I think I come off as pretty tight. The table is quite tough with a number of tournament regulars. Gets folded around to me at the cut-off and I raise to 400 with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Button calls. Button is very straightforward and playing tight. He has me covered by about 3000 chips.

The flop comes A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

I lead out with a bet of 600.

Button raises to 1600

I call.

Turn comes 6 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

I check, button bets 1600. I put him on a bigger ace, maybe a set but unlikely. I think for while, do the math and determine that I am getting very close to the right price to call and do so.

I would appreciate any comments on any aspect of this hand, from pre-flop on.

Thanks,

Kevin

auc hincloss · #2 10-22-2007, 12:19 PM

Fold pre flop. As played i like the line right up until the turn, then just fold fold fold. It is far too early in the tournament to be risking chips with a FD here, you'll find yourself in better spots down the line.

djk123 · #3 10-22-2007, 10:13 PM

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only if you're terrible. 400 is too big though. 300 is fine.

DJ Pattiecake · #4 10-22-2007, 10:40 PM

a lot of the time in live tournaments, if the standard raise is 400 and you start making it 300, players will start call your bets more often preflop (at least)
I'm not sure how this pertains to this particular situation but im just putting it out there.

Pudge714 · #5 10-23-2007, 05:20 PM

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only if you're terrible. 400 is too big though. 300 is fine.

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brad2002tj · #6 10-22-2007, 12:22 PM

Reraise all in or fold on flop. 40% chance of hitting flush + fold equity makes this > calling with 1/3 of your stack, no?

auc hincloss · #7 10-22-2007, 12:27 PM

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Reraise all in or fold on flop. 40% chance of hitting flush + fold equity makes this > calling with 1/3 of your stack, no?

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mehh.. i think its more like 36%..

brad2002tj · #8 10-22-2007, 12:30 PM

Like 36% of villian has ak and 25% is villian has a set. still fold or all in to gamboool. Could this be +ev with FE?

auc hincloss · #9 10-22-2007, 12:47 PM

By the turn, you have already commited a quarter of your stack, calling is obv. a total spew. IMO i think i would be c/folding here. OTOH, everyone like a CRAI semi bluff form time to time. against a tight player though, i dont think this would be the best idea. i've just spent the last 8 hours talking to accountants, my head is fried.

pennypacker · #10 10-22-2007, 01:01 PM

Thanks so much for the replies. Question: why is a call on the turn a spew? Its 1600 into an almost 6000 chip pot. I would have folded to a bet that was even half the pot on the turn but the bet was less than that.