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#1
11-30-2007, 03:23 PM
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Re: *** Official NY Mets Our OFFSEASON Has Come Thread ***
This sure as hell better be a precursor to another deal. We have 2 catchers and a glut of OFers. So we trade a chip for a C and an OFer.
I now have utterly zero confidence in Minaya's ability to make this team succeed. I think I said it earlier in this thread, it is becoming clearer that if the move isn't as obvious at throwing a boatload of money at Pedro or Beltran, he is utterly lost. As someone said on another board, this offseason is becoming worse than the collapse. 
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11-30-2007, 03:40 PM
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Re: *** Official NY Mets Our OFFSEASON Has Come Thread ***
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I now have utterly zero confidence in Minaya's ability to make this team succeed. [/ QUOTE ] I couldn't agree more. What little confidence I had in Minaya (even after last year's disastrous offseason) is now completely gone. This team isn't necessarily worse going into 2008 after this trade. But we are going to start feeling the pain caused by trading Milledge, Bannister, Bell, Lindstrom, Owens & to a lesser extent Ring once Citi Field opens. Oh...and this offseason isn't even close to being over yet. We still have yet to see Omar trade off the rest of our prospects to the lowest bidder.
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#4
11-30-2007, 03:51 PM
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Re: *** Official NY Mets Our OFFSEASON Has Come Thread ***
Minaya started off well for the Mets but has really fizzled since then.
Trading away Milledge was stupid. Our prospects were likely our best chance at getting Johan Santana. Now Milledge is traded for two people whose names I never heard of.
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#5
11-30-2007, 03:57 PM
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Re: *** Official NY Mets Our OFFSEASON Has Come Thread ***
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#6
11-30-2007, 04:02 PM
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Re: *** Official NY Mets Our OFFSEASON Has Come Thread ***
I'll try and give Omar the benefit of the doubt for a second.
Presumably, Milledge has already been shopped all over the place. So, Omar may well know that Milledge has little value in the eyes of other teams (at least those with pitching). Further, it is not hard to imagine that Milledge might qualify as one of those clubhouse cancer types. Indeed, many of the trade rumors for the bigger names seem to focus on Carlos Gomez instead of Milledge. Finally, I hear from a well-placed Nats fan (i.e., someone I just met 10 minutes ago) that Schneider really is quite good defensively, and not as bad as people think offensively. There, that's my attempt to give Omar the benefit of the doubt.
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#7
11-30-2007, 04:02 PM
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Re: *** Official NY Mets Our OFFSEASON Has Come Thread ***
According to Metsblog, Jason Stark (fwiw) says the following:
“The Mets have been looking for a defensive-minded catcher who could lead a staff, and Brian Schneider does that as well as anyone. And Ryan Church is a better player than you’re giving him credit for. He’s better than a fourth outfielder, even though he might be more a 5-day-a-week kind of player than a 7-day -a-week kind of player. And Milledge, frankly, turned out to be overrated. HIs value had plummeted. For a team trying to win in the short term, like the Mets, I totally understand this trade, Now let’s sit back and see how good Milledge turns out to be.”
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#8
11-30-2007, 04:06 PM
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Re: *** Official NY Mets Our OFFSEASON Has Come Thread ***
Wow, I didn't know Church wasn't a FA until 2012. That makes the deal a lot better. I like Church a lot. In terms of production he's good, I just didn't think he'd be cheap for that long. Seems like he's been around forever.
I like the deal more now. Good for both sides.
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#9
11-30-2007, 04:07 PM
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Re: *** Official NY Mets Our OFFSEASON Has Come Thread ***
Wynton,
I can agree with both your posts. I don't think the trade is completely indefensible. Schneider and Church are alright ballplayers; I just don't see that it makes the team better to the point that it justifies trading away a supposed chip. And like you, part of me has to give some shred of benefit of the doubt. A man who has attained a MLB GM position has made a trade that 99% of the reaction is going to be "LOLOLOL..hahahaha...my god how horrible", so I feel like there has to be some justification. It could be that is the best that L Millz would fetch. (Of course, if that were the case, I'd just hold on to him). Maybe it's a precursor to something else. BTW, Omar on the FAN at 4:05 today.
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#10
11-30-2007, 04:07 PM
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Re: *** Official NY Mets Our OFFSEASON Has Come Thread ***
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According to Metsblog, Jason Stark (fwiw) says the following: “The Mets have been looking for a defensive-minded catcher who could lead a staff, and Brian Schneider does that as well as anyone. And Ryan Church is a better player than you’re giving him credit for. He’s better than a fourth outfielder, even though he might be more a 5-day-a-week kind of player than a 7-day -a-week kind of player. And Milledge, frankly, turned out to be overrated. HIs value had plummeted. For a team trying to win in the short term, like the Mets, I totally understand this trade, Now let’s sit back and see how good Milledge turns out to be.” [/ QUOTE ] Milledge is already as good as Ryan Church. That is the problem. They just signed one catcher who is a much better hitter than Schneider. Then they traded for another who's probably as good a hitter. There's no way to slice this one into being a good trade - it isn't.
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