2550 4 way coord board. nut draw.

[Sasuke]

Games is 4 handed. I have 5000.
CO(7600) opens to 200 - button(5000) who is bad call, I call in SB with A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]J [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] , BB(5500) who is bad calls.

Flop(800) 3 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]6 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]5 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
CO bets 550, button folds, I call, BB raise to 1755 total - CO fold, I call.

Turn(4860) 7 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
I push for 3070.

[iRock]

hm. How is he bad? Is he too aggro, can't fold, etc? how would he play 88-1010 preflop and on the flop? I think i'd prefer raising the CO yourself on the flop rather than call in the SB. With only 100bb, you pretty much are limiting yourself to see one card at best before committing or folding. You are now pushing 3k into 4300 pot which if he has a set or two pair (i think his most likely holdings, as no big draws or pair and draws make any sense here) means you will have 9 outs at best on the river if he calls. It seems if he is bad, and he is check raising, he has already decided he is going with the hand, it doesnt matter if a joker comes out. I'd prob fold the flop once he check raises as playing for 1/3 of ur stack oop on this board with the nut flush draw is going to be very tricky. I think checkraising the flop is better than calling twice on the flop which is better than folding. Once you are here i guess you can push, but this is making a bad player make a tough laydown, which is never a good plan.

[carlos rex]

As i play it allmoast allways all in at the flopp(after his raise i mean). Even if he calls 100% of his range it is EV+

[cts]

in my experience bad players are a lot more scared when you shove into 4 straights than good players, so I don't hate the turn play really but more of a read on how he is bad would be nice

[Overfloater]

if you think he has a set and will check behind the turn yet not fold to a push (since he has a set, duh!) , then isnt it blatantly a better play to just go for a freecard on the turn and spike something hot?

this flop play is

[Sasuke]

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this flop play is

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thank for you constructive post.

Mod ?

[jcmoussa]

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Games is 4 handed. I have 5000.
CO(7600) opens to 200 - button(5000) who is bad call, I call in SB with A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]J [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] , BB(5500) who is bad calls.

Flop(800) 3 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]6 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]5 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
CO bets 550, button folds, I call, BB raise to 1755 total - CO fold, I call.

Turn(4860) 7 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
I push for 3070.

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I dont really like it. Usually with a gutter or str+flush draw, youre going to push the flop right? i dont really see you pushing out many hands.

[aejones]

i kind of like this vs an unknown

[CASINOCASINO]

weak flop play