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Old 05-16-2007, 07:28 AM
chavarie chavarie is offline
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Default (4+40) Shove or Stop and go?

Final table of a 4+40 with 180 players. Table as been very aggressive with a raise about every hand and I played 1 hand to the showdown it was a-k. I have a solid TAG image (for what it worth). Should I shove here or use the stop and go? I'm not very sure about when to use it but I think I have great FE on the flop.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t1600 (6 handed) internettexasholdem.com

Hero (t26696)
BB (t52123)
UTG (t57314)
MP (t20179)
CO (t62675)
Button (t51013)

Preflop: Hero is SB with :jc, :as.
[color=#666666]3 folds</font>, [color=#CC3333]Button raises to t4800</font>
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Old 05-16-2007, 07:34 AM
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Default Re: (4+40) Shove or Stop and go?

i'd shove this on an aggressive table with your image, 7200 is a nice addition to your stack and may keep people off your blinds
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Old 05-16-2007, 07:38 AM
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Default Re: (4+40) Shove or Stop and go?

whats the ante?
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Old 05-16-2007, 07:42 AM
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Default Re: (4+40) Shove or Stop and go?

75. I know that shoving is a good option but what about the stop and go?
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Old 05-16-2007, 08:07 AM
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Default Re: (4+40) Shove or Stop and go?

ur M is about 9.3 so i re-steal ai
a read on villain would be helpful, he often open steal from late position or is he a tight bitch? whats ur image in defending blinds?
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Old 05-16-2007, 08:31 AM
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Default Re: (4+40) Shove or Stop and go?

He has been raising about half the time when he was CO/Button and opening but he always won uncontested. My image was quite weak because I've been card dead during the FT. I guess it all leads to a shove here :P
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Old 05-16-2007, 08:44 AM
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Default Re: (4+40) Shove or Stop and go?

i am no expert on the stop and go so beware! but here's my take on the situation:
with you having said table is aggro i'll take that to be him too.
his range is really pretty wide for this raise: any pair and j10+ i'd say, he shouldn't want to play for half his stack with anything but 99/TT+ AK given your image.

by letting his range, which i think you are ahead of see a flop is only letting him catch up as he is not calling off half his stack unless he hits for 1:1.5. I just think your stack is just a bit big for this play as it is a pretty big overbet. where you will probably only be folding out high cards you are ahead of on a low flop and some lower/mid pockets on high card flops, both of which should have folded pre flop to an all in reraise.

although you may well fold out some mid pp's on Q high flops and AK/Q on low flops, i think that your stack is just too big to make this play and you will only get called when way behind.
your hand is good to make a stand and pick up a useful amount of chips pre flop and this is where i would make the move. this make any sense?

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Old 05-16-2007, 08:55 AM
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Default Re: (4+40) Shove or Stop and go?

Yeah it makes a lot of sense! I think you're right about the fact that my stack is too big for the SNG. When I read the HH like you I can see that shoving is great but I was too much result oriented when I was analysing the hand (he called my shove with a-qo).
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Old 05-16-2007, 10:09 AM
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Default Re: (4+40) Shove or Stop and go?

Too big for stop n go. Just shove PF.
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Old 05-16-2007, 10:21 AM
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Default Re: (4+40) Shove or Stop and go?

Btw, chavarie, was I on that table?
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