|
#1
|
|||
|
|||
What I done got myself into?
No read on villain, first orbit at the table.
PokerStars $5/$10 Limit Hold'em - 6 players Hand Converter Tool from DeucesCracked.com Preflop: Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] UTG folds, MP folds, CO folds, Button folds, <font color="#FF0000">Hero raises</font>, BB calls. Flop: (4.00 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#FF0000">Hero bets</font>, BB calls. Turn: (3.00 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#FF0000">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#FF0000">BB raises</font>, Hero calls. River: (7.00 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> Hero checks, <font color="#FF0000">BB bets</font>, <font color="#FF0000">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#FF0000">BB 3-bets</font>, Hero calls. Final Pot: 13.00 BB |
#2
|
|||
|
|||
Re: What I done got myself into?
I would fold as played, but I wouldn't raise the river.
|
#3
|
|||
|
|||
Re: What I done got myself into?
Another possible approach to this hand is to call down after BB raises turn.
|
#4
|
|||
|
|||
Re: What I done got myself into?
Both the responses so far seem really weak. In a blind vs. blind situation, are we really supposed to read a turn raise as meaning he holds the one card in the deck that beats us?
We should be concentrating on getting value out of the second nuts here vs. villain's range, which includes every other heart + some non-heart hands. |
#5
|
|||
|
|||
Re: What I done got myself into?
[ QUOTE ]
Both the responses so far seem really weak. In a blind vs. blind situation, are we really supposed to read a turn raise as meaning he holds the one card in the deck that beats us? We should be concentrating on getting value out of the second nuts here vs. villain's range, which includes every other heart + some non-heart hands. [/ QUOTE ] Maybe so.But: 1.You donīt know how he is playing. 2.He is just calling flop 3.Your turn bet on a 4-flush board in a 3BB pot should really scare him if he hasnīt got a high heart.If he has a heart and it is not the ace then he is in a kind of WA/WB situation where he will be concerned that you might have one of the at least two better hearts possible.And at the same time he should be concerned of folding out worse hands in a small pot.I see no meaning for him to raise If you are comfortable with 3 more bets going into the pot then go ahead and checkraise river.Personally I would rather donk river if I thought he could be spewy. But I donīt understand what kind of answer you want from us. You obviously have to call his 3-bet on river. |
#6
|
|||
|
|||
Re: What I done got myself into?
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] Both the responses so far seem really weak. In a blind vs. blind situation, are we really supposed to read a turn raise as meaning he holds the one card in the deck that beats us? We should be concentrating on getting value out of the second nuts here vs. villain's range, which includes every other heart + some non-heart hands. [/ QUOTE ] Maybe so.But: 1.You donīt know how he is playing. 2.He is just calling flop 3.Your turn bet on a 4-flush board in a 3BB pot should really scare him if he hasnīt got a high heart.If he has a heart and it is not the ace then he is in a kind of WA/WB situation where he will be concerned that you might have one of the at least two better hearts possible.And at the same time he should be concerned of folding out worse hands in a small pot.I see no meaning for him to raise If you are comfortable with 3 more bets going into the pot then go ahead and checkraise river.Personally I would rather donk river if I thought he could be spewy. But I donīt understand what kind of answer you want from us. You obviously have to call his 3-bet on river. [/ QUOTE ] I don't see how him calling the flop makes it more likely he has it. |
#7
|
|||
|
|||
Re: What I done got myself into?
i dont always bet turn FOR WHAT IT IS WORTH. But I can't fault it I Guess- given the Turn bet yes I think the river is fine.
|
#8
|
|||
|
|||
Re: What I done got myself into?
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Both the responses so far seem really weak. In a blind vs. blind situation, are we really supposed to read a turn raise as meaning he holds the one card in the deck that beats us? We should be concentrating on getting value out of the second nuts here vs. villain's range, which includes every other heart + some non-heart hands. [/ QUOTE ] Maybe so.But: 1.You donīt know how he is playing. 2.He is just calling flop 3.Your turn bet on a 4-flush board in a 3BB pot should really scare him if he hasnīt got a high heart.If he has a heart and it is not the ace then he is in a kind of WA/WB situation where he will be concerned that you might have one of the at least two better hearts possible.And at the same time he should be concerned of folding out worse hands in a small pot.I see no meaning for him to raise If you are comfortable with 3 more bets going into the pot then go ahead and checkraise river.Personally I would rather donk river if I thought he could be spewy. But I donīt understand what kind of answer you want from us. You obviously have to call his 3-bet on river. [/ QUOTE ] I don't see how him calling the flop makes it more likely he has it. [/ QUOTE ] If he is calling flop and raising turn it is obvious that he has a heart. It was said that villain would have non-flush hands in his range.I donīt agree at all. Which heart he has is of course impossible to determine but it is reasonable to think that he wouldnīt raise turn with many hearts for reasons stated above. |
#9
|
|||
|
|||
Re: What I done got myself into?
I usually empty my stack about the same number of bets.
I am raising this turn 100% of the time given your description. I have seen players wait for the turn to raise TP because 'it gets more money in the pot when they are ahead' not thinking about the consequences of particular cards falling. As played on the turn, there is no reason to raise the river. You have no read that he will overplay his cards with a four flush and a 3 card straight completing on the river (albeit 87s is a small range of your raising standards I imagine). |
#10
|
|||
|
|||
Re: What I done got myself into?
[ QUOTE ]
No read on villain, first orbit at the table. PokerStars $5/$10 Limit Hold'em - 6 players Hand Converter Tool from DeucesCracked.com Preflop: Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] UTG folds, MP folds, CO folds, Button folds, <font color="#FF0000">Hero raises</font>, BB calls. Flop: (4.00 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#FF0000">Hero bets</font>, BB calls. Turn: (3.00 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#FF0000">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#FF0000">BB raises</font>, Hero calls. River: (7.00 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> Hero checks, <font color="#FF0000">BB bets</font>, <font color="#FF0000">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#FF0000">BB 3-bets</font>, Hero calls. Final Pot: 13.00 BB [/ QUOTE ] vnh imo |
|
|