sick deep river spot 200/400 ugh

[Daliman]

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Dudes, keep in mind that he 3bet an UTG raiser, and that he's most certainly never pushing that river with JJ+ for value.. and that he probably doesn't 3bet 33, 77, 88, or TT pf... and that leaves like 87s.. the more I look at this hand the more I want to call.

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Why can't he be pushing river for value JJ+?

[Lefort]

meh, ya think? I dunno I feel like that river overbet push is not often an overpair, maybe I'm way off..

[MDMA]

I'd agree that JJ/QQ is not pushing here for value. I'd assume his valuerange is KK+.

[Lefort]

I just feel like from his description that he's not the type to be value betting somewhat thin.

[Morrek]

How have you been responding to his frequent reraising preflop?

If you've been calling and floating a lot then I guess it's a call. If you haven't or only once or so this gets tricky

[xorbie]

the question is how often you think he 3bets Ax[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] relative to say 67/97, because i think his 3barreling range there is about the same with each. also if he's not 3betting 33/77/88 this becomes a much easier call.

[TxRedMan]

to the OP who said raise the flop to $23000-

that's bad here unless you've got a great read that your opponent is never going to come over the top of you. you've got two overs and a gutter and you dont want to get blown off your hand and stick $23K in the middle doing so.

given the description it doesn't sound like this guy is going to 3-barrell you very often at all. i'd fold the river and not think twice about it.

[creedofhubris]

JTo worth defending preflop vs. a tight opponent?

It sounds like he's thinking rationally about his case money and not monkeytilted, so that's a big reason to bail out on the river IMO.

[creedofhubris]

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the question is how often you think he 3bets Ax[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] relative to say 67/97, because i think his 3barreling range there is about the same with each. also if he's not 3betting 33/77/88 this becomes a much easier call.

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If opponent was on a draw then his flop + turn bet sizing is pretty poor. He didn't commit himself but also didn't leave room for a 3bet semibluff, making himself vulnerable to being blasted out on the turn, which is a disaster for a strong drawing hand.

[TxRedMan]

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JTo worth defending preflop vs. a tight opponent?

It sounds like he's thinking rationally about his case money and not monkeytilted, so that's a big reason to bail out on the river IMO.

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QFT, left that out of my OP. It can't be a mistake to muck this hand pf, and if it is, it's a small one.